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going to do some asking around,so will be back on here later this evening,hope to see what i can find!

hi matilda was born in 1895 in bermondsey,i do believe they were there a while,twins are a possibility i suppose!! maxine x

If you know the Martin side of the family, then when & where was Matilda born?

They seem to live in the same area for a while perhaps she may lead you to his family.

Ozi.

Hmmm. Looks like this Richard was a twin. Is that a possibility?

Ozi.

Births Jun 1885
Hartnett Daniel Marylebone 1a 628
Hartnett Richard Marylebone 1a 628

great,enjoy the rest of your weekend,kind regards ,maxine x

Page number is 360, on Matilda's record the number is smudged but I'm sure it's a 6 rather than a 3.

Don't hesitate to ask questions. We all started from nothing & the people on these boards are very willing to help.

Ozi.

ok,and a big thankyou for your patience and help!!! maxine

No, I don't think we've found your Richard yet. All transcribed records are a problem. In the case of census & bmd they are transcribed at LEAST twice; from original handwriting to clerk then probably another clerk then the people who transcribe the records for the online data.

You'll find him but I think you need to get the cert if your aunt doesn't have it. That will give you Richard's father's name & occupation & then you'll be able to find him on the census.

Ozi.

Your aunt may have some certs. Check with her. If she knows they are Richard & Matilda the best way to go is to get the marriage cert through GRO.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Tick that you have the ref number. Only pay £7.There seems to be a difference in page numbers for Richard & Matilda. I'll just check the image.

do you think in your opinion that its him,im a virgin to all this!!!!!

Now here's a possible connection but their Richard jnr is too young.

1891 England Census
about Richard Hartnett
Name: Richard Hartnett
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Spouse's Name: Annie
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 5 Naubau [???] St

Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Hartnett 76
Mary Hartnett 68
John Hartnett 37
Richard Hartnett 35
Annie Hartnett 31
John Hartnett 4
Danial Hartnett 3
Richard Hartnett 5 months


Richard & his family are living with his parents who were both born in Ireland.

i wonder where the hell he dissappeared to,could his death help me ..even though i dont know it ...lol!!!

at least im getting closer ..finally,my aunt was here today,her mum my grandmother,was richard hartnetts daughter and my aunt didnt know anything at all,she will be surprised that the gaps closing in!!

Now here's an Irish connection for you, but your man's not here either.

1891 England Census
Name: Daniel R Hartnett
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Kerry, Ireland

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: West Hackney
Town: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 25 Shacklewell Row

Occupation: Metropolitan Police Constable

Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel R Hartnett 34
Elizabeth Hartnett 40 - Roxwell, Essex
Elizabeth M Hartnett 6
Georgina M Hartnett 10
William Hartnett 18
Thomas White 58 - lodger

Here's Patrick & Matilda. Doesn't look like your man's there. I'll check the image.

1891 England Census
Name: Patrick Hartnett
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England

Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Crispin
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 10 Cherry Gardens

Occupation: leather dresser

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Jarvis Bell 33 - lodger, jeweller
Alfred Hartnett 3
James Hartnett 15 - tanner
John Hartnett 7
Matilda Hartnett 36
Maud Hartnett 8 months
Patrick Hartnett 42
Thomas Hartnett 4
William Hartnett 5
Thomas Kenshett 60

wow WOW WOW !!! please forgive me for jumping up and down etc etc!!! now ive just got to understand it all!!! THANKYOU

You have to buy the certs for proof of parentage (at least officially anyway).

I'll have another look around the census.


Ozi.

Mum & Dad?

Marriages Dec 1876
Bradley Caroline Marylebone 1a 982
HARTNETT Daniel Marylebone 1a 982
HICKS John Marylebone 1a 982
Ringley Elizabeth Annie Marylebone 1a 982


Marriages Jun 1881
HARTNETT William St. Olave 1d 449
MURPHY Margaret St Olave 1d 449
SAUNDERS Thomas St. Olave 1d 449
SIMMONS Mary Ann St. Olave 1d 449


Marriages Jun 1883
Brady Matilda St. Olave 1d 353
Brady Tilda St. Olave 1d 353
CAIN James St. Olave 1d 353
CANE James St. Olave 1d 353
CARTER Alice St. Olave 1d 353
HARTNELL Patrick St. Olave 1d 353
HARTNETT Patrick St. Olave 1d 353 <<< Irish connection?

no i dont,could i find him on bmd do you know?

yes,they are my grandmother ethel and her siblings,its just the hartnett sides a mystery in my family,thanks for this digging!!