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your baron wasn't born until 1873 so wouldnt be on th 1871 census , baron george his brother was born in 1870 but died age 1.

you can view the 1881 free at

familysearch.org

you have to be a member to access trees on ancestry but if you want me to send them a message let me know.

dont put your email on these boards but click on my name and send it direct to me and i will pass it on.

Lorraine/Margaret

Many thanks for your responses - you really know so much! I've only been doing this for two weeks now, and am hooked.

I have found various things as a result of the information you provided, but seem to be unable to find the correct Frederick Pratt on the 1871 census - couldn't find Baron either. Also, how do you get access to the 1881 census? I assume there must be another website you're looking at?

Also, when you say that someone has the tree on Ancestry - how do I get to look at that?

So many questions!!!!! This is starting to rule my life - haven't had so much fun in ages!!

Sandy

eleanor barons mother with her daughter an family

1901 England Census
about Eleanor E A Pratt
Name: Eleanor E A Pratt
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Portsmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Portsmouth
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub registration district: Portsmouth and Mid Southsea
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 184
Household Members: Name Age
Jane E S Harper 25
Eleanor E A Pratt 67
Constance B Redding 6
Dorothy V Redding 9
Eleanor D Redding 37
Eleanor G Redding 12
Florence B Redding 2
Frederich W Redding 14
Thomas W Redding 7 months
William T Redding 47


eleanor is a widow
daughter eleanors husband william is a house agent

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Eleanor E A Pratt
Name: Eleanor E A Pratt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 68
District: Portsmouth (1900 Onw)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 337

barons mother

according to a tree on ancestry frederick, barons father died in victoria australia in 1883,

and eleanor died in 1902 in england

thats interesting margaret my dads family are pennys from portsea going to take a look.

Somebody has the tree on Ancestry. Tree owner is Lynne Page, there's a lot of info, well documented. They have Frederick J. Deville Pratt born 31 Jan. 1833, Portsea to George William Pratt and Ann Penny.

Aha! Frederick's full name was Frederick John Delville Pratt as shown on the christening of his son:
Frederick John Delville Pratt born 18 June 1866, christened 29 Nov. 1868, St. Mary's, Portsea, Hampshire. Parents Frederick John Delville Pratt and Eleanor Ann Elizabeth.
All of the children's christenings are there on Familysearch. Clarence was Clarane (sp) George Frederick Delville Pratt.

Very curious that Frederick J.D. didn't know where he was born, he was evidently an educated man! Can't find him before he marries Eleanor. What's he hiding?

Incidentally I know of a certain William Henry Pratt who was born 1887, Dulwich, England. He came to Canada, changed his name to Boris Karloff, moved down to Hollywood and the rest is history!
His grandmother was Elizabeth Edwards whose sister was Anna who married Thomas Leon Owens and became Anna Leonowens of "King and I" fame.
As you can see I tend to go off on tangents!

1881 census
Stainshaw Rd., "Stainshaw Ho", Portsea, Hampshire
Frederick J.D. Pratt, head. 49, house estate agent, born N.K.
Elizabeth E. A., wife, 48, born Hants, Portsea
Clarence G.F., son, 19, house agent clerk, born Sussex, Brighton
Eleanor D., dau, 17
Frederick J.D., son, 14, house agent clerk
Florence D., dau, 12, scholar
Baron J.B.D., son, 7, scholar
Beatrice L.D., dau, 7
Alberta M.D., dau, 6
Martha Isaacs, servant, 43
All others born Portsea.

the eldest baron george died age 1 so they called their next son baron too


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Baron George D Pratt
Name: Baron George D Pratt
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 1
District: Portsea Island (1837-1900)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 276

right get it know sorry got confuse

frederick and eleanor are your barons parents they had two sons called baron , baron george and baron john

1881 England Census
about Baron J.B.D. Pratt
Name: Baron J.B.D. Pratt
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick J.D.
Mother's Name: Eleanor E.A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: Stamshaw Road "Stamshaw Ho"
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Martha Isaacs 43
Alberta M.D. Pratt 6
Baron J.B.D. Pratt 7
Beatrice L.D. Pratt 7
Clarence G.F. Pratt 19
Eleanor D. Pratt 17
Eleanor E.A. Pratt 48
Florence D. Pratt 12
Frederick J.D. Pratt 48
Frederick J.D. Pratt 14

frederick an eleanor are not your barons parents

this is your baron


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Baron John B Pratt
Name: Baron John B Pratt
Year of Registration: 1873
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Portsea Island (1837-1900)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 444



frederick and eleanors son is the other baron


this one

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Baron George D Pratt
Name: Baron George D Pratt
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Portsea Island (1837-1900)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 453

there is probably a connection between frederick and your barons father we will have to find

if you send for your barons birth cert it will give his parents names

Eleanor Elizabeth's family in 1861:
15 Victoria St., Portsea, Hampshire
William S.L. Halls, head, 52, dancing master, born I.O.W.
Eleanor E., wife, 49
*Eleanor E.A., dau, 28
William S.L., son, 22, musician
Thomas L.S., son, 20, soliciter's clerk
Emily C., dau, 17
Priscila A., dau, 10
Kempster?, son, 7
All born Portsea except head William born I.O.W. and son William born Southampton.

Oh yes, the Frederick on the 1871 census is Baron John's father but that was before Baron John was born. There was an older brother Baron George born 1870, he's on the census but must have died then your Baron John was born 1873.

Free BMD:
Frederick John Pratt married Eleanor Elizabeth Ann Halls, Portsea, Jun, Q 1861. (2b 612)

Now looking for father and siblings of Baron John Pratt, because I've got a feeling that the Frederick Pratt in the 1871 census must be related to Baron John - he had the same occupation and one of his daughters, Florence, has the family name of Delville.

I'm amazed at your responses - thank you so much. I can now do some further investigations.

Sandy

Florence's son, Edward Leslie Elsted was a soldier in WW1 in Canadian Army. He enlisted April 1, 1916, Vancouver, British Columbia. He was born 5 Nov.1896, Southsea, Hants, England, next-of-kin mother Florence Elsted, Elburne Station, British Columbia.

Edward Whitfield Elsted died 29 May, 1917, British Columbia, age 57.

Florence Delville Pratt married Edward Whitfield Elsted, Portsea, Sep.Q 1886. (2b 728)
( only 17!)