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I have a relative who on her birth certificate is Esther, on her death certificate is Hester.

Nicki

I have a family missing on the 1901 census. I have the childs birth cert and she was born 20/2/1901 and registered 11/4/1901 at the same address she was born .

However when checking for the street she was born in I found the census page from numbers 18-40 was missing.She was born number 18 so they dont appear on the census

so what about trying the birth certificate for the Thomas Cook born Birmingham?? Right time period, right place ............... they could just not have registered him with the second name Edward.

You could specify mother's name as Esther .... this means they would only charge you £3 instead of £7 if that mother is not Esther.

But you do have to be careful ..... the name you specify has to be exactly the same as on the certificate ................. even the slightest difference in spelling can mean that you don't get the certificate.

For example, Esther could be misheard as Hester, or vice versa


Also, re Leah's death certificate.

In my humble opinion, the information on a death certificate is the least trustworthy of any certificate .

Why?

Because the information given on there is only what is known to the informant.

The only thing that you can trust to be accurate is the date of death, the place of death, the cause of death, and the name of the doctor attending and of the informant. All else is hearsay ........ what the dead person told the family or other people.

The name may be wrong, the age/date of birth may be wrong, etc etc


Thus the wrong name for a spouse ......... falls into the same category of the correct name may not have been known to the informant. Or it might have been the name by which the husband was known but not his "real" name.



sylvia

I did try the one for Hull - infact I found that one on the 1901 census - the mothers name is Mary. The gt grandmother I seek (Esther) does appear on electoral lists for 1925 with my granddad. She disappears after then. They had been mispelt in previous years as Cork rather than Cook.
As for Leah, her death is a puzzle. I found a death for her in Birmingham (1963) as Leah Murray (her married name) but when I acquired the certificate, it had her as a widow but the dead husband's name was wrong. I haven't found another but she was living in Birmingham at the time. She has got two granddaughters, living in Birmingham somewhere but I don't know where. They are Kathleen Ann Woolley (b. 1952) and Sandra Ann Woolley (b. 1958). As far as I know, both are unmarried.

Is it possible that he was not born in Aastin after all.

There is only Thomas Edward Cook showing up on www.freebmd.org. as born in the June quarter 1898

Births Jun 1898 (>99%)

Cook Thomas Edward Hull 9d 302


........... and there is one Thomas Cook registered as born in Birmingham in June 1898

Births Jun 1898 (>99%)

Cook Thomas Birmingham 6d 94



Buying his birth certificate would give you his mother's maiden name.



Note that it is quite common not to find a second christian name on a birth registration ...... the second name was often not given until baptism, and the registration (and thus the birth certificate) would not be changed.


sylvia

If you were under 21, then you needed your parents permission to get married. Even if you did have it, it was often viewed as less of a hassle to say you were 21 or older.

It's possible not to find them on the 1901 - I have never managed to find my gr grandma or her children.

Regarding the ages of the children - it's possible that if both of them had their birthdays in between the two marriages they could easily have been 2 years apart in age. Bit weird but possible. Or even one year apart. My OH's mother is One year and two weeks younger than her brother - so it happened!

Jill

there is also this birth registration for leah

Leah Cooke
Aston 6d 395
September 1899

julie

This looks like the birth reg for Leah

Births Sep 1901 (>99%)

Cook Leah Mary Birmingham 6d 89

Christine

I'm trying desperately to find my grandfather and his family on the 1901 census. However, it seems that they were very much against this sort of thing.
My grandfather's birth it seems, was never registered but he was baptised - this proves his D.O.B and gives identies of both parents.
I've since tried looking on the 1901 census but to no avail.

He (Thomas Edward Cook) was baptised on 06/04/1898 at St James the Less, Ashted, Aston Manor (Now Birmingham) having been born on 16/03/1898. His parents were Thomas and Esther Cook. He was obviously born in the city and died there in 1952. I have his marriage details and death certificate. He wasn't an only child - a sister Leah married two weeks after him and actually signed as witness at his wedding. Both occurred in 1919 and both were aged 21. I think Leah's age could well be wrong. If she was 21 too, then the chances are she is his twin and would have been baptised with him. That didn't happen so I presume they were not twins.
So is it possible for a family to avoid being on the 1901 census?