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Good Morning I have checked my records, and yes the death you found Monk is the death of his father.

After Daniel's Marriage in 1864 in Chelsea there is not trace of Daniel Bailey born 1847 at all
Sheila

Monk ----Thank you that sound as if it could be the one. I'll check
Sheila

Daniels death???

Time scale fits:

Deaths Dec 1868

Bailey Daniel - aged 49 Wokingham 2c 253

Wokingham is in Wiltshire

Susan Thank you for the census of 1861. I agree with you . It make life hard when the mothers keeps naming her first son after her husband .I think that I have 4 Daniel's one after the other. Oh Well !!!!!!
Sheila

Will do Just Sent GRO an email for the birth Fairthone found should arrive " down under "in 3 weeks
Sheila

Keep us posted with what you find, Shiela :-)

Good Morning Summer from Down Under,Thank you for that. I think I agree with you about Oates Travers, I tried to find them through the son William also born in Chelsea. I have his ( William ) wedding certificate from the GRO and in it, it states that his full name is William Daniel age 20 still living in Chelsea age 20 and his father (Daniel )is a deceased Blacksmith that was in 1884, so he was dead by then .William was listed as a Engineer.So it's back to the drawing board .---I think I agree with FairThorn about the birth that he/she found is the right one . I'll apply to the GRO for that.
Sheila

Hmm, that's interesting. Maria, her mother is on the 1841 with an army man. I have assumed this is the right Maria as she is from Ireland and the birth year is out but that's par for the course with the 1841 census. So perhaps what I have there is the wrong thread, if so then I don't know where they are in 1841. Not finding any sign of him on the 1841 census. Thinking about it, the Maria I had for 1841 can't be right because her daughter's Martha, Maria & Cecelia aren't with her, my bad... but maybe they're connected (somewhere) so ignore Joseph Oates Travers that was obviously a red herring.

Looks like I'll have to conclude that I can't find them in 1841 at least if they're there they're badly mistranscribed. I've tried looking via Maria (adult and child) and David Daniel (both names in case he swapped them about) and Cecelia/Cecilia, but no joy.

I have just read all the posts ,Martina/Emily Bailey nee Oates , her father was named on her wedding certificate as David Daniel Oates , Profession Butler ,does this help in any way.????
Shiela

Thank you very much, at the moment it makes no sense. I think I'll have to take a hard copy and map it out. As I have said thanks again
Sheila

Hope you can get it all worked out into something that makes sense...I'm off to bed now. Night/morning

Joseph the 1's death?
Name: Joseph Oates Travers
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Portsea Island (1837-1900)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2b
Page: 390

Christening record: (Joseph the 2nd)

Name: Joseph Oates Travers
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 3 Nov 1814
Christening Place: Yarmouth, Norfolk, England
Father's Name: Joseph Oates Travers
Mother's Name: Maria

and his death:
Name: Joseph Oates Travers
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 54
District: Chelsea (1841-1981)
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 201

Joseph the 3rd's death?:
Name: Joseph Oates Travers
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 49
District: Warwick (To 1932)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 377

Joseph the 4th's birth:
Name: Joseph Oates Travers
Year of Registration: 1867
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Stoke Damerel
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 340

& his marriage:
Name: Joseph Oates Travers
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Kensington
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 245

1841 - Emily's mother. Is this her father (or is it Maria's father)? If so then it looks like their surname should have been Oates Travers (or perhaps just Travers if Oates was his middle name). I think it says he's in the army.

Name: Maria Oates
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: Portsea Town
Hundred: Portsmouth Borough
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub registration district: Portsea Town
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph OatesTraver 60
Maria Oates 45
Conway Oates 13

1851 Census Emily & family

Name: Emily Oates
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Chelsea
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 35 Blenheim St.

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea North West
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 101
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria Cates 44
Cecelia Oates 11
Emily Oates 6
Joseph Oates 3
Maria Oates 13
Martha Oates 16
Teresa Oates 9
Catherine Rogan 67
Fredrick Shade 1 (Grandson)
Celiena Thade 20


Note 'Celiena'? it also lists her as daughter of Maria born in Pimlico as 'Selina' in 1881 was. Now she and Frederick should either both be Thade or more likely Shade. One would assume she married Mr.Shade first then Mr.Garwood (she's listed as married here). Catherine Rogan is Maria Oates' mother. They're both listed as being from D'Rougheda, Ireland

As I say, it says her sister, she's also a widow, but as she's considerably older she may even be a half-sister or Daniel's sister.

Whois Selina Garwood I wonder????? That William age 17 is my Grand Father, so it is the right Emily Bailey.
I am afraid I must vanish for a while. It's picking up grandson Time. I'll be back in a while
Sheila

Name: Emily Bailey
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Lakes
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 2 Luna St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Laundress

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea, South
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Emily Bailey 35
William Bailey 17
Selina Garwood 49

Selina is described as her sister.

There are a lot of families living in 2 Luna St.

Yes she was, Sheila.

Yor could be right but 17 years old. I wonder if it was a 'Shot Gun " wedding. If Martina's father was a Butler,it very well could be. I have no idea when he died . I have just Googled Princes Street Chelsea and it took me to Hanover Sqr: and a very large house. Was Martina/Emily a Widow on the 1881 census ????
Sheila

Susan, it was the different M's that was throwing me. I decided that on it's own I would say married LOL