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Brick Walls help on the Census Records***Michelle*

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 3 Jan 2009 21:12

Derek

Poss 1841 Continued....

1841 England Census
about Charlton Way
Name: Charlton Way
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Tolpuddle
Hundred: Piddletown
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Dorchester and Cerne
Sub registration district: Piddletown
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Willam Way 44
Ann Way 47
William Way 16
George Way 15
Mary Way 10
James Way 7
Charles Way 6
Charlton Way 3

William an Ag Lab

Address Tolpuddle

Will check the 1851 now.


***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 3 Jan 2009 21:34

Derek

Still checking the 1851 but did see this on the 1861?Saw a poss for Charlton on the 1851 in the Channel Islands with 2 siblings.Again unsure cos i don't know the children's names.Here 1st is the 1861 which looks like the same William and Ann and Charlton as the 1841

1861 Channel Islands Census
about William Way
Name: William Way
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorset, England


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
William Way 63
Ann Way 66
Charlton Way 23

1861 Channel Islands Census
about Ann Way
Name: Ann Way
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Dorset, England


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
William Way 63
Ann Way 66
Charlton Way 23

1861 Channel Islands Census
about Charlton Way
Name: Charlton Way
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorset, England


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
William Way 63
Ann Way 66
Charlton Way 23

William a Labourer
Charlton a Sailor

Address Bake House St.Aubin's Road

Living a 2 doors away was the George and his wife that i saw Charlton living with on the 1851

1861 Channel Islands Census
about George Way
Name: George Way
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Pidletown, England


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
George Way 34
Harriet Way 27
Harriet A Way 9
Julia Way 6
Eliza Way 4
George Way 1

1861 Channel Islands Census
about Harriet Way
Name: Harriet Way
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: St Brelade, Jersey, Channel Islands


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
George Way 34
Harriet Way 27
Harriet A Way 9
Julia Way 6
Eliza Way 4
George Way 1

Continue....












***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 3 Jan 2009 21:38

Derek

1861 Poss continued

1861 Channel Islands Census
about Harriet A Way
Name: Harriet A Way
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: St Lawrence


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
George Way 34
Harriet Way 27
Harriet A Way 9
Julia Way 6
Eliza Way 4
George Way 1

1861 Channel Islands Census
about Julia Way
Name: Julia Way
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: St Lawrence


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
George Way 34
Harriet Way 27
Harriet A Way 9
Julia Way 6
Eliza Way 4
George Way 1

1861 Channel Islands Census
about Eliza Way
Name: Eliza Way
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: St Lawrence


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
George Way 34
Harriet Way 27
Harriet A Way 9
Julia Way 6
Eliza Way 4
George Way 1

1861 Channel Islands Census
about George Way
Name: George Way
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: St Lawrence


Civil Parish or Township: St Lawrence
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands


Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image


Registration district: Anglesey
Sub registration district: Holyhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
George Way 34
Harriet Way 27
Harriet A Way 9
Julia Way 6
Eliza Way 4
George Way 1

George a Gardener

Address St.Aubins Road,Lane Cottage

Let me know whether this is the family.I won't look for anymore till you do just in case this is not the family.If it is i will look for more for you.

Michelle











Derek

Derek Report 3 Jan 2009 22:41

Hi Michelle, thanks for looking for me. This is them indeed, William born 1797, Ann Penny WAY (Nee MILLER) born 1794 Bradford Peverell. So the William WAY I saw on the convicts list in Tasmanian site was a different one ....huummmm Thank goodness I don't jump to conclusions LOL

Indeed George WAY was a son of William & Ann and brother to Charlton. Little is known of Charlton, born Affpuddle dorset he married a Susan COOPER bn c1841 in either Corfu, Greece or West Indies depending on which paper you read!

Thank you for the other info, much useful and appreciated as ever.

Best wishes,
Derek

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 3 Jan 2009 23:27

Derek

Glad it was the right 1 and here is some info on Charlton for you with wife Susan.

1871 Channel Islands Census
about Charlton Way
Name: Charlton Way
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorchester
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

1871 Channel Islands Census
about Susan Way
Name: Susan Way
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charlton
Gender: Female
Where born: Corfe
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

1871 Channel Islands Census
about Charlton Way
Name: Charlton Way
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charlton
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

1871 Channel Islands Census
about John Way
Name: John Way
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charlton
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

1871 Channel Islands Census
about Wm Way
Name: Wm Way
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charlton
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

1871 Channel Islands Census
about Edward Way
Name: Edward Way
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charlton
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

Continue....

















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 3 Jan 2009 23:48

Derek

1871 for Charlton continued....

1871 Channel Islands Census
about Edward Way
Name: Edward Way
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charlton
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

1871 Channel Islands Census
about Susan Way
Name: Susan Way
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charlton
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands
Civil Parish: St Helier
Town: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: D
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 33
Susan Way 30
Charlton Way 8
John Way 7
Wm Way 5
Edward Way 2
Susan Way 1

Charlton a Miller

Address Town Mills Cottage


1881 With another Charlton so presume the other 1 died?

1881 Channel Islands Census
about Charlton Way
Name: Charlton Way
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorchester, England

Civil Parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands

Street address: Prospect Cottage No 1
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Miller (C)

Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: F
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 43
Susan Way 40
Charlton Way

1881 Channel Islands Census
about Susan Way
Name: Susan Way
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charlton
Gender: Female
Where born: West Indies

Civil Parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands

Street address: Prospect Cottage No 1
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: F
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 43
Susan Way 40
Charlton Way

1881 Channel Islands Census
about Charlton Way
Name: Charlton Way
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charlton
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: Jersey, Channel Islands

Civil Parish: St Helier
County/Island: Jersey
Country: Channel Islands

Street address: Prospect Cottage No 1
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Jersey
Sub registration district: F
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Way 43
Susan Way 40
Charlton Way

See what u mean re the different birthplaces for Susan!!Also looks like the Charlton 1863 didn't die as he shows in Dorset married in later census records.Oh well let me know if you need anything else at any time.Happy New Year to you!

Michelle














angie2405

angie2405 Report 4 Jan 2009 03:40

HI Michelle

I can't believe how much information you have found for me ..... you're amazing.

Thank you, thank you, thank you :)

Angie

ps .... I'm asking or a subscription to Ancestry for my birthday !

rubys

rubys Report 4 Jan 2009 07:55

hi michelle could you help me please with a james black born abt 1800 wallsend northumberland his wife is margaret ive found him on household record 1881 but ive found no birth are marrage to margaret.
i need to get further back thank you

Derek

Derek Report 4 Jan 2009 09:39

Hi Michelle, A big thank you for that info, appreciated.

Best Wishes,
Derek

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 4 Jan 2009 23:07

Shemp

Is this the chap you are after?Little confused cos you listed 1800 birth but this 1 is 1834.

1881 England Census
about James Black
Name: James Black
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Wallends, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 29 Russell St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Shoe Maker

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 47
Margaret Black 37
William Black 17
Robert Black 12
James Black 12
Thomas Black 9
Elizabeth Black 7
John Black 5
Margaret Black 3
Edward Black
Mary A. Henderson 19


Could you let me know then i will look for you re birth and marriage.

Michelle

Rosemary

Rosemary Report 4 Jan 2009 23:12

looking for any info at all on a rosemary hutchison and james lavery i assume married in glasgow,in 60's and divorced.don't know where they were born...james prob.glasgow?-he died 1999.so stuck,thank you rosie.

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 4 Jan 2009 23:33

Rosemary

Hi there!Sorry can't help with this 1 as i don't have access to Scottish Records.My access is to English,Welsh records.I do have Scottish Census but this is 1841-1901.

Have you tried this site?Its very good free to search but you do have to pay to view records.

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/


Good luck and hope you find what you are after.

Michelle

rubys

rubys Report 5 Jan 2009 07:46

yes you have the right james black thank you for anything you may find its very kind of you.

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 5 Jan 2009 08:31

Shemp

Going to post the census records i can find on them and then see if i can see the marriage etc.The 1861 sees him as 1840 birth but this maybe cos his wife was quite a bit younger.

1861 England Census
about James Black
Name: James Black
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Wallsend, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: All Saints
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 21
Margaret Black 19

1861 England Census
about Margaret Black
Name: Margaret Black
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: All Saints
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 135
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 21
Margaret Black 19

James a Shoe Maker
Margaret a Boot Binder

Address Dean Court


1871 showing again as 1840 birth??

1871 England Census
about James Black
Name: James Black
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 31
Margaret Black 28
Margareta Black 9
William Black 7
Robert Black 5
James Black 2

1871 England Census
about Margaret Black
Name: Margaret Black
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 31
Margaret Black 28
Margareta Black 9
William Black 7
Robert Black 5
James Black 2

1871 England Census
about Margareta Black
Name: Margareta Black
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 31
Margaret Black 28
Margareta Black 9
William Black 7
Robert Black 5
James Black 2

1871 England Census
about William Black
Name: William Black
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 31
Margaret Black 28
Margareta Black 9
William Black 7
Robert Black 5
James Black 2

Continue....

















***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 5 Jan 2009 08:33

Shemp

1871 Continued for James and Margaret Black

1871 England Census
about Robert Black
Name: Robert Black
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 31
Margaret Black 28
Margareta Black 9
William Black 7
Robert Black 5
James Black 2

1871 England Census
about James Black
Name: James Black
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England
Civil Parish: St John
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 31
Margaret Black 28
Margareta Black 9
William Black 7
Robert Black 5
James Black 2

James a Shoe Maker

Address 11 Back Row





***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 5 Jan 2009 08:52

Shemp

You have the 1881 so onto the 1891

Looks like John Black 1876 had died by the 1891 and here is 2 poss deaths

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about John Black
Name: John Black
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 6
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 416 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about John Black
Name: John Black
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 6
District: Gateshead
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 446 (click to see others on page)

looks like by 1891 James has changed profession does looks like him cos kids match the 1881

1891 England Census
about James Black
Name: James Black
Age: 52
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cawdle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 52
Margaret Black 50
Elizabeth Black 17
Margaret Black 12
Edward Black 10

1891 England Census
about Margaret Black
Name: Margaret Black
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 52
Margaret Black 50
Elizabeth Black 17
Margaret Black 12
Edward Black 10

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Black
Name: Elizabeth Black
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: St. Johns, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 52
Margaret Black 50
Elizabeth Black 17
Margaret Black 12
Edward Black 10

1891 England Census
about Margaret Black
Name: Margaret Black
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 52
Margaret Black 50
Elizabeth Black 17
Margaret Black 12
Edward Black 10

1891 England Census
about Edward Black
Name: Edward Black
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 52
Margaret Black 50
Elizabeth Black 17
Margaret Black 12
Edward Black 10

James a Lamp Lighter

Address 47 Low Cuthbert Street

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***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 5 Jan 2009 08:57

Shemp

And living next door i noticed Thomas Black son of James and Margaret now married

1891 England Census
about Thomas Black
Name: Thomas Black
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Black 20
Caroline Black 19
Robert Black 25
Thomas Turnbull 21

1891 England Census
about Caroline Black
Name: Caroline Black
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Carlisle, Cumberland, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Black 20
Caroline Black 19
Robert Black 25
Thomas Turnbull 21

1891 England Census
about Robert Black
Name: Robert Black
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Black 20
Caroline Black 19
Robert Black 25
Thomas Turnbull 21

1891 England Census
about Thomas Turnbull
Name: Thomas Turnbull
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Black 20
Caroline Black 19
Robert Black 25
Thomas Turnbull 21

Thomas and Robert Gen Labourers-i should imagine Robert is his brother from the 1881
Thomas a Brick Company Labourer

Address 51 Low Cuthbert Street













***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 5 Jan 2009 09:26

Shemp

The early census records are proving tricky because of the changes in birthyear and places on the later census records.Most were for 1840 birthyear so i am to presume that is the correct 1.

I think this could be him but i need to look into this and will look later on today when i am next online

1841 England Census
about Robert Black
Name: Robert Black
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: All Saints
Hundred: Tindale (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub registration district: All Saints
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Black 23
Margt Black 21
James Black 1

1841 England Census
about Margt Black
Name: Margt Black
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: All Saints
Hundred: Tindale (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub registration district: All Saints
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Black 23
Margt Black 21
James Black 1

1841 England Census
about James Black
Name: James Black
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: All Saints
Hundred: Tindale (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub registration district: All Saints
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Black 23
Margt Black 21
James Black 1

Robert was a Shoe Maker

This is a pure educated guess based on occupation of Robert and also the fact that eldest son of James was called Robert.Problem i have is i can't see the 1851 for this famiy?There are poss deaths for Robert between 1841-51 and poss marriages for Margaret so i need to look into this later on.

Michelle








rubys

rubys Report 5 Jan 2009 09:58

thank you michelle your brill at finding everything.
thomas black is my gr great grandfather thank you.

***Michelle***

***Michelle*** Report 5 Jan 2009 20:43

Kath

1901 England Census
about Robert Barker
Name: Robert Barker
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Lutton; Marsh, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Clenchwarton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clenchwarton St Margaret
Town: Clenchwarton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub registration district: Terrington St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Barker 24
Maria Barker 23
Mary Barker 1

1901 England Census
about Maria Barker
Name: Maria Barker
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Terrington St Clement, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Clenchwarton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clenchwarton St Margaret
Town: Clenchwarton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub registration district: Terrington St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Barker 24
Maria Barker 23
Mary Barker 1

1901 England Census
about Mary Barker
Name: Mary Barker
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Female
Where born: Clenchwarton, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Clenchwarton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clenchwarton St Margaret
Town: Clenchwarton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Wisbech
Sub registration district: Terrington St Clement
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Barker 24
Maria Barker 23
Mary Barker 1

Robert a Horsekeeper on a Farm

Address Roman Bank