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Kevin Asplin's new site.

http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/intro.html

Nominal Roll for the Indian Mutiny Medal

http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/mutiny.html

Not there.

Two Barons in

1870's Discharges

http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/1870discharges.html

Not him.

You might want to look around there more.

Kevin Asplin is also available for more info and research. I have never retained him, but I have corresponded with him and found him as lovely as others have.

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Ann ... can you maybe give the URL for the site you have quoted, lol?

A lot of people post things copied and pasted from websites without giving the address where they can be found! A whole lot easier just to do that, actually.

In the Crimean War (1854-56), the 13th Light Dragoons were in the forefront of the famous Charge of the Light Brigade, immortalized by Tennyson's poem of that name ("Into the valley of death rode the six hundred").
The regiments adopted the title hussars at this time, and the uniform became very stylish, aping the hussars of the Austro-Hungarian army. But soon the blues and yellows and golds gave way to khaki as the British army found itself in skirmishes throughout the far-flung Empire, in India and South Africa especially

Another question - does anyone know what has happened to the Cathy Day?? website - she had a number of resources for lookups in India - remnants of her website still appear in google searches but the site no longer exists at it's original address - ozemail something or other.

Re the info at FIBIS (passenger entries): I would suggest going to that website and consulting the info there, and contacting the society perhaps!

Here is the website Ann was quoting:

http://members.dca.net/fbl/

(googled)

This is rather interesting maybe.

http://indiafamily.bl.uk/UI/FullDisplay.aspx?RecordId=014-000389239

Name: (unrecorded) Keen
Event type: Birth
Date: 14 - Sep
>> Year: 1835
Location:
Parents:
Notes:
>> At Moorshedabad, the lady of A. Keen, Esq., M.D., of a daughter.
Transcribed by: FIBIS
India Office Records
Reference:
Source name: East India Register
Source year: 1836
Source edition: 2
>> Presidency: Bengal

A medical doctor named Keen who had a daughter in 1835 in Bengal.

NINETEENTH CENTURY BRITISH AND INDIAN ARMIES AND THEIR SOLDIERS

this is the name of the site

if you google there is a wealth of information of British Armies in India

Thanks Evie - the 1835 birth is worth a look up at the BL IOR - perhaps they'll have further info on a first name. I am unaware of her parents - her maiden name has been passed down through the family.

Or that could have been a sibling. Just thought the name, time period and father's occupation were interesting.

You might search the censuses for Keen born in India, in case your Keen had brothers or unmarried systers who went to England.

One maybe of interest that I see is:

Name: Thomas Pacey Keen
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Enna Louisa
-- likely Emma (faint on image) -- born in India
Gender: Male
Where born: Minety, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Somerset

He is a clergyman. Could conceivably have been the son of a physician who was in India. Eldest child born in India c1864. Probably more likely he was in India later himself on religious duty, and met and married there. Could have been younger brother of the physician ...

Aha, this is the marriage, from FIBIS:

Presidency of Marriage BENGAL
Marriage Year 1862
Husband First Names Thomas
Husband Surname Keene
Wife First Names Emma L
Wife Surname Burroughs

It could be the same family, you never know. The 1871 census image does say KEEN with no "e".
In 1881 there is:

Name: Elizabeth A. Keen
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Niece
Where born: (British Subject), India
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe

Ann Keen 80 - HOH, born Cornwall
Elizabeth Keen 41 - daughter, born Cornwall
Elizabeth A. Keen 17

conceivably a niece of your Elizabeth. ... Well, no, since that family already has an Elizabeth in that generation, lol. But you see what I mean.

Finding siblings or nieces/nephews might find you somebody in a tree here or some such.

Looking for Keen in 1881 who is a physician/surgeon (1881 searchable by occupation)

Name: Frederick Keen
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Contemporary of the clergyman, born Gloucestershire, "Physician Surgeon & Apothecary LRC PL"; no kids in household, wife born Norfolk.


Not spotting either Thomas or Frederick readily in early censuses. Could have been in India? Frederick Keene and wife Eliza are in Suffolk in 1861 it seems.

Just possibilities and theories!

Thanks Ann for the info on the army lists etc - have had a quick browse but nothing so far :-(

Hmm. FIBIS gives, from its 1881 UK census individuals born in India list:

Surname KEENE
First Name Frederick
Year Born 1864
Place Born India
Census Area Surrey

He's a pupil at a boarding school, common for children of Anglo-Indian families. Ah, a James Keen c1872, India, is also at a boarding school in Surrey.

One might suspect a relationship to Frederick and/or Thomas above.

Also:

Name: Matilda Keen
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Patient
Where born: Bangalore, India
Civil Parish: St George
County/Island: London
Street address: "St Georges Union Infirmary" Fulham Road


This one in 1881 can't be the boys' father in 1881, because he has a son Frederick already, born c1873 in India:

Name: Frederick T. Keen
Age: 46
>> Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margt.H.D.
Gender: Male
Where born: Godalming, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Betchworth
County/Island: Surrey
>> Occupation: Lt Col C B Indian Army


1891 in Plymouth:

Name: Frederick Keen
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Louisa - born Devon 1837
Gender: Male
Where born: Hyzerabad, India


I would be quite interested in investigating these various people, if I were you!

Evie, my Elizabeth born in India had Irish parents according to family history, so census info on English residence is less likely but having said that still possible through marriage to someone with English ancestors.

I guess my best bet is to trawl through the BL records for Elizabeth's birth but without her marriage I cannot be sure.

I have a photo of Elizabeth Baron nee Keen who looks to be aged in her 70's which would put the photo date at c1900 but I was unable to find any death records for her or for that matter Thomas Baron born 1837. I have his birth and parents etc.

It really is so frustrating not being able to find someone!! The staff at the British Library said that around 70% still exists - just my luck!

be positive - 70% is a fair chunk

I just realized that Elizabeth shows in the UK censuses as being 2+ years older than Thomas, so that birth itself in India, to Dr. Keen, could indeed be her.

I agree with your boarding school theory - many of my ancestors were at boarding school albeit the ones I know of were at school in the hills in India, not England, but your theory is well worth pursuing.

just wondering what took all these Brits to India - it was full of them in the 1800's