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Karen


you are very welcome to any help that I could give you!



sylvia

Hi Sylvia, Tony and Colin,

Thank you so much for all your help. As Marilyn said, I'm really lucky that Philip's life was so well documented and that there are people such as yourselves able to help access records I can't.

So to summarise...
Son Philip 1848 Brixton, Surrey, was son of Philip Anthony c1824 Kingsdown, Kent, who was son of Anthony Philip c1772 Rainham, Kent, who was son of Anthony and Elizabeth

And to think I started on the weekend with Hamilton J Dive born 1914!

There are very few Dives and they all seemed to be connected. Dives in England tend to be connected to William the Conquerer and Dyves in Scandinavia, so I've been told. My ultimate aim is to trace Anthony Dive back to a connection with my own branch of the Dives that I have going back to about 1600 in Kent. And I wish to try and connect the other Dives found in the Census' and BMD indexes. Before setting up residence in Kent I believe the Dives hailed from Bedfordshire and would eventually like to find the connection between the Kent Dives and Bedfordshire Dives/Dyves.

Many Dives seem to be back and forth from Australia and Canada and I have found relatives all over the world. The address Tony gave me for the Australian BDM is such a great help and I can now verify some of the details given to me from other researchers.

I know numbers don't mean much, but my tree of 170 that I started with in June, of immediate family has exploded, with several hours of research each day, to 5000. Each person having as much of their life in detail as I can find, births, marriages, deaths, travel records, military records, wills, etc. But I have been lucky in that many branches of my ancestry have been well researched for many years by distant relatives and in many cases I've only had to verify others research with my own. Now I've taken on a whole load of new research which is developing into a kind of One Name Study! Which was not at all intentional considering 6 or 7 months ago I didn't know anything beyond my great grandparents!!

Thank you again for all the help I have been given. I have a lot more research ahead and am very grateful to all those who answer my cries for help! You are very kind and generous people.

Karen

Hi Karen.

The entry you saw on Ancestry for a Mr. P Dive could be this one.

Mr P Dive
Port of Departure --Brisbane
Port of Arrival--Sydney

Voyage Arrival Date 13/8/1900
Vessel --Moonoowarra

Childrens births listed on N.S.W index.

V185597 124/1855... DIVE ELIZA E C.. PHILIP JANE M
2666/1856.......... DIVE PHILIP.... PHILIP JANE M ST LEONARDS
V1857125 124/1857.. DIVE FANNY A... PHILIP JANE M
3907/1858.......... DIVE FANNY M... PHILIP JANE M ST LEONARDS
4104/1860.......... DIVE LINDA J... PHILIP JANE ST LEONARDS
3930/1862.......... DIVE EMILY K... PHILIP JANE M ST LEONARDS
1428/1865.......... DIVE EDWARD V.. PHILIP JANE M SYDNEY

Infant Death N.S.W.
1526/1856 DIVE PHILIP PHILIP JANE M ST LEONARDS

Tony

Hi Marilyn

Thank you!!


it just seems to be my lucky day for finding information .................... and Karen's!!


I've probably found far more than she wants ..... and not found too much of what she did (the Australian emigration for example!!).



sylvia

Gosh Sylvia,

You are brilliant !!

I'm up late just following your information.
Karen is so lucky.........

Possible other siblings of Anthony Philip .... parents of both are Anthony and Elizabeth



Name: John Fryer Dive
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 3 May 1774
Christening Place: Rainham, Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Dive
Mother's Name: Elizabeth



Name: Mary Dive
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Apr 1777
Christening Place: Rainham, Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Dive
Mother's Name: Elizabeth





sylvia

This just has to be a brother of Anthony Philip, and possibly the reason for Mary's second name


Name: Parfect Dive
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 4 Aug 1775
Christening Place: Rainham, Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Dive
Mother's Name: Elizabeth



sylvia

christening records 1530 to 1906 on ancestry


Charlton Dive 2 Dec 1831 Tonbridge, Kent, England

Edward John Dive 24 Feb 1828 Tonbridge, Kent, England

Elizabeth Dive 29 Apr 1814 Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England

Ellen Wells Dive 25 Aug 1826 Tonbridge, Kent, England

Harriet Dive 8 Dec 1811 Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England

Martha Dive 26 Mar 1820 Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England

Mary Parfect Dive 19 Oct 1813 Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England

Philip Dive 13 Jun 1824 Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England

Sibylla Dive 12 Sep 1822 Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England


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Name: Edward John Dive
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 24 Feb 1828
Christening Place: Tonbridge, Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: Elizabeth Dive
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 29 Apr 1814
Christening Place: Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive


Name: Ellen Wells Dive
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Aug 1826
Christening Place: Tonbridge, Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: Harriet Dive
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 8 Dec 1811
Christening Place: Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England
Father's Name: Phillip Dive
Mother's Name: Harriet


Name: Martha Dive
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 26 Mar 1820
Christening Place: Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: Mary Parfect Dive
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 19 Oct 1813
Christening Place: Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive
Mother's Name: Harriet


Name: Philip Dive
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 13 Jun 1824
Christening Place: Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: Sibylla Dive
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Sep 1822
Christening Place: Kingsdown (Near Dartford), Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive
Mother's Name: Mary




That seems to be all the children!!!!


Not sure if you have this, or if you want all this information!!!!



sylvia

from baptism records on ancestry


Name: Charlton Dive
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 2 Dec 1831
Christening Place: Tonbridge, Kent, England
Father's Name: Anthony Philip Dive
Mother's Name: Mary



sylvia

Ellen in 1841


1841 Census

Name: Ellen Dive
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: Tonbridge
Hundred: Tonbridge Lowey
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: Tonbridge
Sub registration district: Tonbridge

Sarah Brisenden 55 School Mistress
Jane Simmons 40 School Mistress
Elizabeth Coomber 16
Catherine Coomber 12
Ellen Dive 15 Pupil
Elizabeth Dive 15 <<<<< looks more like Davis on image
Georgiana Beeslingfield 13
Elizabeth Rogers 11
Catherine Wihlvell 10
Elizabeth Perkins 16
Jane Guert 17
Emma Belfour 15
Mary Robillard 15
Caroline Langford 13
Caroline Smith 14
Sarah Boorman 16
Fanny Boorman 14
Sarah Barton 10
Ann Porter 10
Mary Monkton 15

Address:- Dry (or Day) Hill, Tonbridge



Even if it is Elizabeth Dive not Davis, Ellen and Elizabeth are probably not twins!! Remember that the ages of people over the age of about 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 Census



sylvia

OK


there needs to be a correction to the 1841 record

Charlton Deve (Dive on the image) has been added to the household next door to where Anthony was a Publican!!

1841

Name: Charlton Deve
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: Chatham
Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: Medway
Sub registration district: Gillingham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlton Deve 9




sylvia

Anthony and Mary in 1851???


1851 Census

Name: Anthony P Dice <<<<< Dive on image
Age: 78
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1773
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Rainham, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Rochester St Margaret
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: Medway
Sub registration district: Rochester

Anthony P Dice 78 Formerly xxxxx (???farmer???)
Charlton Dice 19 b.ca 1832, Tunbridge, Builders Clerk
Ellen W Dice 2 <<<< image says 24 (?? .... last number obscured by large black mark), b, Tunbridge, Governess
Mary Dice 58 b.c 1793, T Malling, Kent

Address:- Borstal (??? Bristol) Road




Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ... I wonder if I found the rigth one in 1841?????


sylvia

Ancestry has Anthony's marriage to Mary

The image (which is upside down!) is stamped S Paul, Covent Garden ...... which is what the submitted entries on familysearch say. But the index on Pallot's on ancestry says Kingsdown, Kent


Name: Anth Dive
Comment: Kingsdown, Kent
Spouse: Mary Wells
Marriage Date: 1818
PARISH: S Paul



Ah, now I understand ............ it also says Kingsdown, Kent on the image, but I think it is referring to Anthony's place of residence




Now if I coauld only find a marriage to Harriet!!!




sylvia

Did you know about these ........... they're from familysearch, but are extracted records


MARY PARFECT DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 OCT 1813 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England


Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family
Mother: HARRIET

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.



ELIZABETH DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 29 APR 1814 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.




MARTHA DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 MAR 1820 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family
Mother: MARY

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.



SIBYLLA DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 SEP 1822 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family
Mother: MARY

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.




Off to see what else I can find ..... like Phillip as other than a submitted record!!!




sylvia

I wonder if this is Philip Sr in 1841 with his parents????


1841 Census

Name: Phillip Deve <<<<< Dive on image
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: Chatham
Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: Medway
Sub registration district: Gillingham

Anthoney Deve 60 b.ca 1781, Kent, Publican
Mary Deve 50 b.ca 1791, Kent
Sybella Deve 16 b.ca 1825, Kent
Phillip Deve 15
Edward Deve 13 b.ca 1828, Kent

Address:- Gibraltar Place, Chatham


PLUS Charlton Dive 9 ................. the record shows him as with another family living next door. The image shows he should be her. See posting below.




sylvia

Here's Philip Sr in 1851 ....... so he must have travelled to Australia between the date of this census and 1855 when he apprently married down there


1851 Census

Name: Philip Dine <<<<<< Dive on image
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsdown, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First

Fredrick Bacon 28
Elizah Deville 65
Emily Deville 22
Louis Deville 17
Ursula Deville 62
Philip Dine 27 Widower, Artisan
Francis Mossewy 67


Address:- 21 Crozier St




sylvia

This tree is on ancestry



Bradley Family Tree
Public Member Tree
Unsourced

Philip Anthony Dive
Birth: 1819
Death: 26 Jan 1902 - Paddington, Nsw (New South Wales)
Spouse: Jane Margaret Jobson

Parents F: Philip Dive M: Unknown Watson



Bradley Family Tree
Public Member Tree
Unsourced
Preview
Name: Philip Dive
Birth: 1856 - Nsw (New South Wales)
Death: 1856 - Nsw (New South Wales)
Parents Philip Anthony Dive Jane Margaret Jobson



sylvia

As I discovered, DIVE is very easily mis-spelled, mis-transcribed, etc!!!



sylvia

Thanks for looking, Tony.

I do remember, before my Ancestry subscription ran out, seeing an entry for a Mr P Dive travelling. I can't remember where to and when, but may be that's the entry I'm looking for... it's obviously been kept in the back of my mind for this occasion!

Karen

Hi Karen.

I have searched what Passenger records i have for States in Aussie..but cannot find a Philip DIVE c.1850s.........He also could have been a "Crew member" and jumped ship...so not listed on Passenger records.


Good luck.
Tony....:>))