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Ha! Might there be a spelling/transcription error!

I have lost count of how many hundred corrections I have submitted to Ancestry. Mostly unrelated lost souls I have happened on by accident. Francis Pukes who was really Francis Dupré, that sort of thing. All of my households managed to get Ancestry's magic touch at least once during its lifetime I think though.

That's why I've been searching for Sma* and trying to search for a child with parents' given names, even with no surname. (Ancestry tends to make less of a hash of given names, although that's not reliable.)

I wonder. John was on vessels in 1881. Is it possible he had simply split, and Mary went on to have children with someone else, but register them under her official name? And the children would then appear under the step name. I've had no luck with that either.

Does his death cert show that he was living with them, e.g.?

Might be interesting to track that 1881 vessel down and see what bit of the military that John was in and whether it went anywhere, and whether family might have gone with him.

Oops, thanks for pointing that out.
I'm wondering if there is a spelling or transcription error. I've already come across these errors with another line in my tree - Tuck/Took/Tooke - that gets VERY complicated.

One suggestion. You have:

Amy Violet 1898-?

? indeed -- John was dead. In the 1901 in this thread she is 11. 1889?

Yup.

Births Dec 1889
Smailes Amy Violet Islington 1b 297

You should probably edit that.

You might want to add John's approx DOB to the header (i.e. the subject line, not the opening post), just for info purposes.

No more luck, I'm afraid. I think I shall avoid Smailes threads in future, lol. They're a lost lot.

Thanks. I do appreciate any help I get, and I've had my fair share from people on this site.

Well, that's the one I was just about to copy here.

There's no matching birth, but registration wasn't mandatory.

It's possible a cousin may drop by someday. The odds are next to nil. We who enjoy digging up other people's bones took our shot.

I've spent a lot of time searching ancestry.co.uk and the only thing I have is that he may have been on board the 'Cobden' in Kent at the time of the 1881 Census. IF that is my relative then he was born in Middlesborough about 1840 but I can not be sure.
I was hoping there might be someone out there who has him as a sibling of a relative?

I don't have his date of birth just the age he was when he died - and I gave that!!

Excuse me, work it out?

You meant that jocularly, I know.


You gave the info, but not in the form it was expected. It usually looks something like "born abt ___". We didn't recognize it. Creatures of habit.

I should have waited for the answers.

No, wait ... you should have given all the information you had in the first place.

You knew his DOB, you wanted people to look for him ... and youdidn't give his DOB ...

Didn't say what?

John died in 1891 Islington (I have certificate) aged 49 (copied from header, work it out!).
John already dead by 1901.
Other details were asked for.

You didn't say that in your header!!!!





aaarrrgggghhhhhhhhh




sylvia

Thanks you lot, didn't expect so much so fast.
Snowflake - I already have the 1901 Census details.
Evie - the death certificate puts him born about 1842. John's marriage certificate states 'full age' and he was a Cooper (also on death cert.). His father William was deceased at the time of marriage, no other datails. Mary Ann was also 'full age' and her father was John Green, deceased.
Witnesses were George and Marian Gatrill.

Now that Penelope has the birth date and place and parents' and siblings' names, I'll leave the fun for her.

Over to you, Penelope!

roflol!



I gave up on her




sylvia

Go find Jane Smailes.

looks like you're doing well Evie!


I'll look back later to see if you need any help :))))





sylvia

And now the right one in 1861. Will check image for middle initial.

Name: John T Smailes
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Stokesby, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Darlington St John
Town: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Darlington

William Smailes 33 - born Yorkshire, Snarlsworth? occupation Currier
Mary A Smailes 33 - born Yorkshire, Stokesley
Elizabeth J Smailes 2
Henry E Smailes 6
Isabell Smailes 1 Mo
John T Smailes 8 - I make it 50/50 J/T.
Margaret E Smailes 4
Mary A Smailes 10
Thomas Smailes 13


He's a year older than he should be, and the middle initial is iffy, but there's no other birth in the GRO to be him.


(I like the occupation of the widow Robson next door: "Keeps A Mangle". Probably wasn't a lot of fun ...)

Name: John J Smailes
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Uncle
Gender: Male
Where born: Stokesley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Kirby in Cleveland
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Stokesley
Sub registration district: Stokesley
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 36

James Hunt 33
James Smailes 31
John J Smailes 7
Marg Smailes 31


Uncle? Let's check that image.
-- edit -- the "Un" obviously for unmarried is in the wrong column; he would be "son".

Wrong father's name, if it's his father.

The only John James Smailes birth 1838-1860:

Births Mar 1854
Smailes John James
Stokesley (Yorkshire)
9d 369

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

Search records - 1901 census (England and Wales)
These are the details for all individuals who lived with Emma M Smailes on the night of the census.
1901 census record for household of Emma M Smailes «Back to results
Address 8 East Street
Civil Parish Islington
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet London
Ecclesiastical Parish St Michael
Parliamentary Borough or Division West Islington
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Islington
Administrative County London

Householder 1
Name Albert J Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Van Guard
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Amy V Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 11
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Juvenile
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Emma M Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 23
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Envelope Folder
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Mary A Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Widow
Age Last Birthday 49
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Charewoman
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 5
Name Minnie E Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Port Errandgirl
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
Householder 6
Name Rose J Smailes
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Hats Cap Mak
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity
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