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You mentioned a possible remarriage for Frederick, to an Alice Baker, after 1927.

I can't see any such marriage, and the only Hogarth/Baker birth I can see after 1927 is one in Surrey in 1945, and that one is accounted for by a Hogarth/Baker marriage in Surrey in 1943 - but not Frederick and Alice.

Where did you find the marriage, please?

There is a Louisa Hogarth living at 30 Cross Street , Letwell in the years 1923 - 1925.

West Yorkshire, England, Electoral Registers, 1840-1962

Name: Louisa Hogarth
Year: 1925
Country: England
County: West Yorkshire
Parliamentary Division: Rother Valley
Place of Abode: Letwell
Reference Number: Rother Valley

She is living with a Frederick Hogarth.

Were all the children adopted together, or were they separated?
From what you say, it sounds as if they all kept their birth forenames.

As Shirley has asked already, did they keep the surname Hogarth?

The Frederick who married Mary Jane Stones in 1907 at the top of this page died 1912 according to tree on ancestry.co.uk


Maryb.

Re Philip L Hogarth 1923 - -

just a possibility, this Philip L with no surname:

Philip L
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Philip L
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 19 Mar 1923 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Lawrence House
Residence Place: Canterbury, Kent, England
Occupation: at School
Schedule Number: 153
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: DGAX
Household Members:
Name
Lillian H Harte-Lovelace
This record is officially closed.
Philip L
Dora A Barrow
George B Stones
This record is officially closed.
Stella B Davies
John F Bishop
John Roberts
This record is officially closed.
Francis G Harte-Lovelace
Alfred S D Smith
Elizabeth T F Smith

EDIT:
No, I think you said he wasn't one of the siblings after all.

Have you found any of the children on the 1939 register

Had a quick look but not seeing them .

Did they keep the surname Hogarth

The only census due to be released in our lifetime is 1921, which MIGHT be ready to view in 2022

1931 was destroyed, and there was no census in 1941.

However, the 1939 register has now been made available on Findmypast and Ancestry, but that won't help you

Electoral Rolls are the only documents which could be of use to you.

They will be at the nearest main library to the place of abode, and searchable only by address.

Maybe if I found a census around 1924 I may be able to see where my mother was living that year How much longer will I have to wait? I hope I am still around. Lol

Gillian thank you for your help in clarifying the copy of the death certificate.
At least my search for a marriage can come to an end.
Though I still need to find Frederick Hogarth who ever he was he is still my grandfather.

once again thank you everyone out there.

Jeanne

For info
Jeanne has sent me the actual death registration for Louise in 1927 from which it is clear that the ORIGINAL cert described her as wife of Frederick Hogarth the correction made 25/6/1927 makes it clear that she died as the widow of Frederick Gregory (soldier) and Frederick Hogarth is amended to merely "Occupier"
So no need to waste any more time looking for a marriage that
never took place.
Doesnt help with Fred's origins -I suspect that there was still a wife living when he took up with Louisa

I visited Esholt in 1999. Saw The Woolpack and the post office.

I used to enjoy watching the program but sadly as all the soaps its taken over by characters who reflect the decline in todays lifestyle.

Hi Jeanne- only a bit of info- if you don't already know- that the original Emmerdale village was filmed in Esholt. It used to be a popular place for the coach trips before the set was relocated.-JLe

I am intrigued by the alterations to the death cert -how did it happen that it was made out in the name of Gregory, styling her widow of frederick Gregory. Who was the original informant? And who is the Lucy Kaye involved in the Statutory declaration?
There is a Lucy Kaye in the Medical Directories for the 1950s living in Yorkshire (Haxby) in 1951 -was she the Doctor who signed the cert?
Haveyou acopy of this cert AND the declaration -what does the latter actually say -some evidence surely had to be produced to effect the alteration of a legal document.And you as a granddaughter aresurely entitled to see it

Hello Sue
It looks like I may have got the wrong brother for the 2 sisters below
Births Jun 1920
Hoggarth Ronald Eaton Huddersfield 9a 592

Edith Margery did once say she called her brother Jimmy thats all we knew and he was the eldest. The person I need to find is Frederick Hogarth the father

Births Dec 1921
Hogarth Edith M Eaton Wakefield 9c 65 Margery was definately mums sister as we met her in 1980's

Births Mar 1924
Hogarth Mildred Eaton Rotherham 9c 1380
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Births Jun 1920
Hoggarth Ronald Eaton Huddersfield 9a 592

Births Dec 1921
Hogarth Edith M Eaton Wakefield 9c 65

Births Jun 1923
Hoggarth Philip L Eaton Huddersfield 9a 457

Births Mar 1924
Hogarth Mildred Eaton Rotherham 9c 1380

Births Sep 1927
Hogan Stanley Eaton Warrington 8c 244

Think that Ronald and Philip belong to the
Wilfred Hoggarth and Ethel Eaton marriage

the missing female on the 1907 marriage is Mary Stones

Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
HOGGARTH Frederick
STONES Mary J
Huttons Ambo St Margaret, Ryedale

Frederick Hogarth is listed as a Farm Manager on Louisa's death cert, but on my mothers birth certificate he was a carter who travelled around farms. The first child was born around 1919 so I guess he married about then.
Esholt is a very small village so I hope I can find something out when I visit in July.
Thanks again for your help

there is this marriage for frederick,but one of the women are missing

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
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BRIGGS Elizabeth Annie Malton 9d 767
GOODWILL Richard Mattison Malton 9d 767
HOGGARTH Frederick Malton 9d 767
MARSHALL Fred Malton 9d 767
REED Frances Helen Malton 9d 767

The district Malton spans the boundaries of the counties of East Riding of Yorkshire and North Riding of Yorkshire;

check the 1911 census to see if this fredericks wife is louisa

There is this marriage that is not where it should be on the records,and a spouse also missing from the page.
But still in yorkshire and at the right time.

Marriages Dec 1919
Hoggarth Wilfred R Eaton Huddersfield 9a 377


No good as he married a ,ethel eaton.

What was Frederick Hogarths occupation on your mothers birth cert please?