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Thanks again Lisa - really appreciate it, especially at this time!

Best wishes

Ann

Hi Ann:
Sorry for not responding before now. It's been a bit busy lately. I am thoroughly enjoying helping you (as well as a few other people I was trying to help). I have to get back to them as well! Don't you just hate it when work interferes with genealogy? ;)

I am away from home right now, but hope to get back to GR sometime tonight, to answers Rose's question.

In case the other people I have been trying to help are reading this, I WILL resume looking ASAP. Unfortunately, that might not be until Sunday.

Hello again Lisa.

I asked if anyone could tell me what BDR meant - some thought border. Rose (Portland Rose) has asked for the details and has now asked me which database the info you gave me was on (purely to see if she can work it out). Could you let me know please.

Ann

Hi Lisa

Lorraine has come back to me with some more details of another sailing. This was obviously the incoming trip (to the UK) to your return.

Apparently he sailed on the Aquitania (Cunard White Star) with Marie from New York to Southampton arriving on 20 December 1935. His name had apparently been crossed out (I wonder whether they were just ticked off as he obviously did come over as he went back again!).

Anything else coming up on your records? Please tell me if you don't want to do any more searching as I feel quite bad asking you for more.

Best wishes and happy holidays

Ann

Lisa you're a star! I have just typed out a lengthy reply to you only to lose it by scrolling down to re-read your info so I will try and remember what I said.

You definitely have found our Will and Marie. His birth place is ok as it comes within Llantrisant where some of his family were born. I was thrown a bit by father shown as S D Evans as he was D Evans.

It's amazing what information it gives, ie colour of eyes etc. So they had been living in Montreal and were visiting there. My guess is it would have been Marie's family.

I will try and find out mayors/judges Montreal. I received a photo today from my mother of Will in his mayoral chains which I thought had been lost but apparently she left another one in her last home in the UK. She also sent a photo of him in army uniform which my husband thinks is Canadian. He had served in India before emigrating to Canada.

I feel guilty asking you, especially as you have found out so much, but did you look for US/Canada entry 1934 as they were over here in 1933?

Citizen Registration Records for Montreal Circuit Court - would this be for citizenship or judges? He is recorded as dual nationality.

I will see what else I can find and haven't yet heard back from Lorraine.

I'm so sorry you haven't been able to find out as much about your relatives as you would like

I'm sure we're all going to be very busy for the next few days but will certainly be in touch if I find out any more.

Once again, very many thanks

Best wishes

Ann

Sorry, cannot find them arriving in 1935. With or without the last name of Evans.
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Don't see him under Citizenship Registration Records for the Montreal Circuit Court (1851-1945)
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/citizenship-montreal/index-e.html
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Sorry, I'm not finding anything for Marie or William. Hopefully, Lorraine will be able to find them on the UK Incoming Lists.

Ann: Granted, all of my ancestors arrived in Canada prior to 1880, so records are difficult to find. I've only found two ancestors arriving in North America (my mum's cousin found two other ancestors). I envy those who can find immigration records for their rellies.

The place of birth is not quite right, but this looks like your couple:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
William Evans
Arrival Date: 12-Feb-1936
Birth Year: abt 1904
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Place of Origin: Canada
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Canadian; Welsh (Canadian)
Ship Name: Berengaria
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: Wales
Line: 4
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5763
Birth Location: Wales
Birth Location Other: Pontyclun
Page Number: 170
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Travelling with Marie, wife.
Evans, William, 32 years old, Soldier, Nationality: Canada/Britain, Race: Welsh, Born: Wales, Pontyclun
Evans, Marie, 32 years old, Housewife, Nationality: Canada/Britain, Race: French, Born: Canada, Quebec
Both last living in Montreal, Canada
Name of complete address of nearest relative...whence alien came: Father S.D. Evans, 4 Station Terrace, Pontyclun?
Final Destination: Canada "Bdr"
Whether in U.S. before: Yes, Visits
Where: BDR, June 1935 (Don't know what BDR is)
Whether joining relative or friend...:3820, Mackenzie St Montreal (doesn't say whom)
William: 5'7", Fair Complexion, Brown Hair, Blue Eyes
Marie: 5'5", Fair Complexion, Brown Hair, Grey Eyes

Hi Ann: Sorry for not replying. My coworker is not working this week, so I have to put in more hours than usual. Also, I've been busy during non-working hours.

Anyway, I don't have access to incoming UK records nor are there Canadian records that recently (I don't think). I will look around American immigration c1934 in case he returned via America.

PS I don't see how the sites I referred previously could possibly cover every judge. Those were probably just the more well-known judges. I also initially googled "Judge Evans" with other key words and didn't see anything. He quite possibly was a judge in Quebec and his name just isn't on the internet.

Hi Lisa

I have checked out the Wikipedia sites you quoted and tried various other areas for mayors and judges but nothing coming up - as you said. It's very strange as I know my mother isn't imagining it.

I will ask Lorraine to have a look for 1933 return to UK.

Anything else you can do would be great.

Best wishes

Ann

Hi Lisa

I'm so sorry, I completely missed your two replies yesterday (about a mayor and a judge) - I must have just gone to the bottom of page 1 and not on to page 2.

I wonder if he was a judge in BC as he was living in Kamloops but I'm sure it was long before that. If we could find out the cause he was fighting for the indiginous people (maybe American Indians?) it would help.

I have literally just spoken to my mother about this and she says she thinks it was like a "clan" of people going around in groups and going in to towns. (Perhaps they were causing trouble). He got them all together and colonised them and got them an area in which to live. Sounds a bit like the Aboriginals in Australia - that kind of thing. It's difficult to put in to words when you know nothing about it!

I've just seen something else in my notes; apparently he came over to the UK with Marie in about 1933 for about a year. (Maybe we could find out more about Marie). It was just the two of them at that time. They adopted two children but think this was later. Would you be able to check that out please? If not I can ask Lorraine again.

We've now established he was born in 1904 in Tonyrefail in Glamorganshire (maybe recorded as Pontypridd). My mother still thinks he was a judge in Quebec (just asked her again).

Sorry to have missed your replies and taken so long to get back to you. Had friends round last night so we were a bit busy yesterday.

Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it.

Ann

Thank you Lisa - that would be great. Just a reminder that he married a French Canadian by the name of Marie. We have been to Toronto a few times (they have 11" of snow today and the same again due tonight) but know nothing about the area or where to start looking.

Hope you managed to get some sleep. I have the same problem at the moment and spend hours on the computer. Whenever I wake up I immediately start thinking "family tree".

Will was definitely a mayor but not sure where. My mother had pictures of him (since lost!) with his mayoral chains. We were pretty sure he was in the Quebec region, especially as he married a French Canadian. All a bit vague I'm afraid but definitely a mayor.

Ann

I don't know how complete this list is, but it doesn't show Evans as a judge in Quebec:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Quebec_judges

It only lists 74 names; I would think there would be more than 74 people! (Maybe these were just the well-known judges?)

Once again, perhaps these are just the well-known judges:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Canadian_judges

It wasn't Winnipeg:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayor_of_Winnipeg

Perhaps another city in Manitoba??

Hi Ann:
Sorry for not replying before now. I've not been around the computer lately.

I certainly don't know "all there is" to know about Toronto, but all of my ancestors settled in Toronto, so I know more about the Toronto area than I do other parts of Canada.

Will's destination may have been Toronto, but he most likely lived outside of Toronto if he continued with farming as an occupation. With such a common name, it may be difficult to find records, but I will search around to see if I can come up with anything in the Toronto area around the late 20's.

Thank you for the added information.
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You mentioned that he was possibly a mayor in Winnipeg. Do you know if he WAS a mayor and you're guessing the city, or do you think he was a mayor and you're guessing the city? I'l check back here later today. I'm headed back to sleep (I've been awake most of the night.)

Hi Lisa

Have today received information on Will Evans. Apparently he was born in about 1904 as he was 23 in 1927. In 1927 he left Liverpool on the Cedric bound for Halifax, Nova Scotia arriving 3 April 1927. He went under the Empire Settlement Act and was to become a farmer. His destination was Toronto.

Best wishes

Ann

Hi Lisa

Have just spoken to my mother about Will. She said his parents would have been living in Tonyrefail which is in Rhondda, Mid Glamorgan, Wales during the early 1930s and moved to Tolworth in Surrey in about 1935/36.

I have posted a thread asking for immigration look-ups which I have had some replies to including a list of possible sailings, so hopefully this may produce some results.

Ann

Hi Lisa

Thank you for all your information. I believe the family were still in Llantrisant in the 30s, but it is possible that they had already moved to Surrey at that time. I will ask my mother (who is now 90 and lives in Australia) and get back to you.

Best wishes

Ann

Hi Rose

Thank you for this information which I do already have, but thank you for your time.

I will follow up Lisa's suggestions.

Best wishes

Ann

Ann:
You do know about the Immigration Records on the Collections Canada site, don't you? There isn't any way of narrowing down which record is Will's, but if you do eventually find his date of birth, that would help.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/immigration-1925/index-e.html

Have you posted a thread, asking for an immigration lookup for Will? Also, you might ask if there is a record of him returning to the UK for a visit prior to the late 1960's.

Do you know where Will's parents were living (which city/town) in the 1930's?

If Rose found your family in 1901...it looks like the average periods between children were 2 years which could mean Will was born around 1902. I will have another look around, keeping this later date in mind.

I also tried googling, and didn't see anything. (Tried Kamloops; mayor in Winnipeg; judge in Quebec, etc.) I haven't given up yet, though.