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hello i am trying to find the 1861 census for my grandmother eliza alice davies born 1858 in church stretton in marshbrook.i can find all the others except this one. In the 1881 census she was living in kingswinford with her mother and stepfather ,her mothers name was elizabeth ann but they used to call her mary so i have been told,. her stepfather was named frederick smith from lingen in hereford .Inthe 1881 census it says eliza was born in1861in knighton in wales . i can not find anything about this .please can anyone help ,thank you sheila

Hello Sheila,
I'm sorry but I'm missing something....I looked at the 1881 census which tells us that Eliza was born in Knighton in about 1860 but you've mentioned that she was born in Church Stretton in 1858.
I was wondering where you got the information that she was born in Church Stretton.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1859 (>99%)
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Davies Eliza Alice Church Stretton 6a 509

Oh! I see now that it comes from a birth registration.
Is it possible that this birth isn't the right one. Birth registration wasn't compulsory until 1875 so it's possible that her birth was never registered.
Have you found Eliza after she married ?

I think this is the one born in Church Stretton, I am not sure you have the right person,

1881 England Census
about Eliza Davies
Name: Eliza Davies
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Church Stretton, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Shrewsbury St Julian
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address: 8 St Julians Friars Salop Home
Education:

Employment status:
Occupation: Domestic Servant

Registration district: Atcham
Sub registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Carline Page 46
Florence Mellor 5
Margret Lane 25
Ann Mathews 18
Harriett Davies 17
Martha Evans 20
Martha Merrick 18
Mary Jane Orchard 17
Elizh. Bowdler 17
Elizh. Edwards 16
Ellen Thompson 19
Esther Williams 21
Elizth. Bromley 17
Eliza Davies 22
Anne Price 17
Jessie Meridith 20


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2651; Folio: 14; Page: 22; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341637.

Now I am confused I think I have the family in 1881.
The names and places you mention fit.

1881 Address: 14 Park Street, Kingswinford (Stafford)
SMITH, Frederick Head Married M 36 1845 Coal Miner Out Of Employ
Lingen
Herefordshire
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife Married F 40 1841
Knighton
Radnorshire
Wales
DAVIS, Eliza A Daughter Married F 20 1861
Knighton
Radnorshire
Wales
SMITH, Mary A Daughter Single F 16 1865
Kingswinford
Staffordshire
SMITH, Elizabeth A Daughter Single F 13 1868
Kingswinford
Staffordshire
BIDDLESTONE, Richard Boarder Single M 23 1858 Puddler Iron Works
Kingswinford
Staffordshire
DAVIES, Thomas F Nephew Single M 1 1880
Kingswinford
Staffordshire

I have them in 1871 also. same wife and Smith children but no Eliza.

1871 Address: Bell Street, Kingswinford
SMITH, Frederick Head M 30 1841 Herefordshire
SMITH, Elizabeth Wife F 34 1837 Radnorshire
SMITH, Alice Daughter F 12 1859 Staffordshire
SMITH, Mary Ann Daughter F 6 1865 Staffordshire
SMITH, Elizabeth Daughter F 3 1868 Staffordshire
WEBB, Henry Lodger M 52 1819 Herefordshire

I have reread 1881 and Eliza Davis is married. She would not be Davies in 1861.

This one is unusual. Let me check the image and get back to you


1861 England Census
about Eliza Vaughan
Name: Eliza Vaughan
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Church Stretton, Shropshire, England

Civil Parish: Church Stretton
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Church Stretton
Sub registration district: Church Stretton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Davis 53
Eliza Davis 45
Eliza Vaughan 3
Mary Vaughan 1
Rob Vales 8
Thos Price 43
Harriet Ferroll 30

1871 England Census
about Elisa Davis
Name: Elisa Davis
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Church Stretton, Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: St Lawrence
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Registration district: Madeley
Sub registration district: Madeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Davis 63
Eliza Davis 55
Robert Davis 15
Elisa Davis 12
Mary Davis 10

In 1861, the children are noted as "Vaughan". Rob Vale is noted as a boarder also born in Church Stretton.

I think they are the same children that are then mentioned in 1871 as children of Joseph and Eliza Davis. Perhaps their parents died and the grandparents adopted them.

So are you looking for the Stretton Eliza or the kingswinford Eliza with Frederick Smith?

I have received this mesage from Sheila:


I think i have you confused sorry. If you go to 1891 census you will see that my grandmother by this time was married to a Thomas Richard Biddlestone and i believe that they were living at commonside, pensnett, brierley hill, staffs. It states there that she came from church stretton this is all very confusing sheila

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
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Archer Shadrack Stourbridge 6c 266
>>>Biddlestone Richard Stourbridge 6c 266
>>>Davis Eliza Alice Stourbridge 6c 266
Pearson Ellen Stourbridge 6c 266



I think you should get the marriage certificate and see what information that gives you.

Tooooo many born in Knighton !


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Births Sep 1858 (>99%)
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Davies Elizabeth Knighton 11b 153
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Births Sep 1860 (>99%)
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DAVIES Eliza Knighton 11b 171
DAVIES Elizabeth Knighton 11b 171
DAVIES Elizabeth Theodosia Knighton 11b 172

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Births Dec 1860 (>99%)
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DAVIES Eliza Knighton 11b 162
DAVIES Elizabeth Knighton 11b 159

1901 for reference....

Richard Biddlestone 46
Alice Biddlestone 45
Frederick Biddlestone 21
John Biddlestone 18
Elizabeth Biddlestone 16
Sarah Biddlestone 12
Polly Biddlestone 9
Ada Biddlestone 6
Richard Biddlestone 3
Emma Biddlestone 1

Elizabeth Biddlestone
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas R
Gender: Female
Where born: Church Stretton, Wales
Civil Parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Brierly Hill
Town: Brierly Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas R Biddlestone 34
Elizabeth Biddlestone 33
Thomas F Biddlestone 11
John Henry Biddlestone 8
Elizabeth Ann Biddlestone 5
Sarah Ann Biddlestone 2

1881......I see now that she married the "boarder" in 1882

Frederick Smith 36
Elizabeth Smith 40
Eliza A. Davis 20
Mary A. Smith 16
Elizabeth A. Smith 13
Richard Biddlestone 23
Thomas F. Davies 1

I think that this might be Eliza Alice using her middle name and under her
step-father's surname.....

1871 Brierley Hill
Name: Alice Smith
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Marchbrook
Civil Parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Brierly Hill
Town: Brierly Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Smith 30
Elizabeth Smith 34
Alice Smith 12
Mary Ann Smith 6
Elizabeth Smith 3
Henry Webb 52, lodger

Ooo, Seaham Lass, I think you may have cracked it. Well done!

I thought that was "cracked "yesterday

Christine, I'm hoping you don't mean there was another thread ... !!!


Sheila, is this you or another Sheila with the same family?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=463311

Sheila Guest 7th February 2007 12:29
hello i am looking for a frederick smith born in hererfordshire in lingen in wigmore.in 1843 to 1845 he was married to my gt . grandmother who,s name was elizabeth davies .she was born i believe in beguildy nr knighton in 1837 to1841 .they had 3 children one was eliza alice davies born abt1859 to1861.then there was mary smith born in kingswinfordabt1866 .then therewas elizabeth a smith born abt 1868also at kingswinford .in the 1881census they lived at 14 park street kingswinford ..i would like to find any information. .that can be given to me .so if there is anyone who can help ,or who have the same ancesters please email me im 70 years young now ,and have been trying to find them for the past few years but to no avail .my other , the biddlestone clan i have found so i hope to hear from any of my relations soon god bless sheila


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