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is this the 1801 marriage you found

Marriage: 15 Feb 1801 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Samuel Whitworth, Milnrow,
Mary Jones, Birchinley
W: Rt Brearley

THE STORY SO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joshua Whitworth b1761 Ashton-u-Lyne
Christened
30 Aug 1761 St Michaels AUL
record on familysearch.org
marriage-Betty Simister
29th April 1784 St Michaels AUL
record on familysearch.org
died 1845 AUL
record on Ancestry

son of above
Samuel Whitworth b1796 AUL
christened
24th July 1796 StMichaels,AUL
record on familysearch.org
census records found
1841,51,61,71
all on Ancestry
Now,here is the strange bit!!!!!!!!!!
Samual married twice
firstly to Mary Jones (details from another Genes member)
they say the marriage took place in 1818 but as yet i cant seem to pin down any record of this!!!
But i have found a marriage for a couple ,same names,married 1801!!!!!!!
Although all my census records confirm their ages,making them too young to be the couple i've found on familysearch.org!!!!!!!
2nd spouse
Elizabeth Walker
married 1855
record on Ancestry

The elusive ROBERT JONES WHITWORTH b1818 AUL
Try as i might,cant find any records on either familysearch or Ancestry for his birth!!!!!!!!!!!!
1861 census
living in Stamford st AUL
cant find him on 1841 or 51 !!!!!!!
1st marriage
Ann Parker in 1842 AUL
2nd marriage
Mary Hobson in 1858 AUL
both records on Ancestry
Died a/m/j 1868 aged 51 AUL
So there we have it !!!!!
a few gaps & niggles
if anyone out there would mind casting their eye over this for me i'd be most grateful,as i said a few gaps but the real niggle is sam & mary's marriage.thanks guys,kind regards Lisaxxx

you might find this site worth a look
http://www.1851-unfilmed.org.uk
this has a name search plus an image lookup (for a small fee)

eg

WHITWORTH Sarah Chorlton RD, Chorlton-on-Medlock 3C/192/1
WHITWORTH Jane Chorlton RD, Chorlton-on-Medlock 3C/192/2
WHITWORTH Alfred Chorlton RD, Chorlton-on-Medlock 3C/192/3
WHITWORTH Robert Chorlton RD, Chorlton-on-Medlock 3C/192/4

from the index numbers this could be Robert with mother Sarah and siblings

edit - forget the above comment - Robert would have been married by 1851 but it is worth a look and note for future reference

Death of Ann??

Ann Whitworth
1858 Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ashton Under Lyne
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 340

Re-marriage of Robert

Robert Jones Whitworth/Mary Hobson
1858 Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Ashton Under Lyne
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8d Page: 690


1861 census

Robert Whitworth
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Ashton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub registration district: Ashton Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Whitworth 43
Mary Whitworth 34
William Whitworth 17 mechanic
Whitworth 14 (image says Thomas)
Sarah Whitworth 9
George Whitworth 7
Ann Whitworth 1


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2984; Folio: 52; Page: 2; GSU roll: 543059.

The 1851 cesus for Ashton-under-Lyne was for the most part warter damaged and has not been filmed. The Lancashire FHS has transcribed it and has issued it on CD.

Andy

possible death for Mary Jane

Deaths Jun 1934 (98%)
Whitworth Mary J 86 Bury 8c 469

wiliam's death

Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%)

WHITWORTH William Jones 51 Bury 8c 350

robert's death

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1868

WHITWORTH Robert Jones 51 Ashton Town

PROGRESS!!!!!!!! well of sorts!!!!!!!
William Whitworth's birth cert arrived today
William Whitworth b1843 Duncan St Ashton under Lyne
Father: Robert Jones Whitworth,schoolmaster
Mother: Ann Parker
All i can find is their marriage 1842 in Middleton
hunt though i might cant seem to find any other documentation ie;census birth or deaths for any of them ,can anyone help,kind regards lisaxxx

I did have a look for a baptism in Lancs CRO last week but sadly they do not keep the records for Ashton-u-Lyne

Robert with his second wife Mary Hobson?
1861 census
252 Stamford St., Ashton under Lyne
Robert Whitworth, head, 43, shop keeper, born Ashton under Lyne
Mary, wife, 34, born Road Alley?, Yorks
William, son, 17, machanic?, born Ashton under Lyne
Thomas, son, 14, born "
Sarah, dau, 9, born "
George, son, 7, born Staleybridge. Lancs
Ann, dau, 1, born Ashton under Lyne

Clutching at straws now! Could this possibly be Robert Jones Whitworth's parents?

WHITWORTH, Samuel Marriage
Wife: Mary JONES
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1801 Recorded in: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Chad
Source: FHL Film Dates: 1799 - 1830

Does this mean anything? It's from BVRI:

WHITWORTH, Robert Jones Marriage
Wife: Mary HOBSON
Marriage Date: 15 Dec 1858 Recorded in: Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Michael
Husband previously married
Wife previously married
Husband's Father: Samuel WHITWORTH
Wife's Father: William GREENSMITH
Source: FHL Film 1550975 Dates: 1852 - 1859 Note: Additional Data in Original Record

Hi too all you FAB people who gave up your time to help me out with this thread.
i now have the marriage cert of William & Mary jane!!!!! Unfortunately i thought that this would lead me on to the next stage of my journey,but alas NO,so yet again i ask for your invaluable help.

William Jones Whitworth,aged 28yrs
occupation unreadable!!
living at: 11 Hodgson street Ashton undr Lyne
Father:Robert Whitworth,Cashier

Earlier in this thread is a possible marriage for Robert,but as of yet i have not been able to find any census records to verify this,we believe that Robert possibly married Ann Parker,but need to find both Robert & Ann,along with William Jones Whitworth on the same record,William,we now know was born in Ashton under Lyne in 1843,any help you could give me would be VERY gratefully recieved, kind regards Lisaxxxxx

there may be a lot of William Whitworth but probably not too many William Jones Whitworths. I can't fins a bith reg but as it was not compulsory he may have not been registered.
Have you tried the other census records for William J with all children xxxxxxx J(ones) Whitworth?
Do you want a look up to see if a baptism can be found in Ashto-u-Lyne or Middleton?

possible parents for William?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1842
WHITWORTH Robert Jones
PARKER Ann
Middleton, St Leonard

so we now know that this is the right family in 1881

William J. WHITWORTH M Male 37 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England Sewing Machine Agent
Mary J.J. WHITWORTH M Female 32 Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Beatrice A.J. WHITWORTH Female 7 Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire, England Scholar
Reginald J. WHITWORTH Male 5 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Scholar
Clara M. J. WHITWORTH Female 4 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Arthur J. WHITWORTH Male 1 Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Alice Maud GARSTANG U Female 17 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Instructress Sewing Machines

Source Information:
Dwelling 92 Wash Lane
Census Place Bury, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341923
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3864 / 10
Page Number 13

In 1871 William Jones Whitworth born 1846, Ashton is a visitor in the home of Levi & Sabina Cowburn in Blackburn, Lancs. His occupation is canvasser.

COWBURN, Levi Age: 25 Marriage
Wife: Sabina WARING Age: 26
Marriage Date: 3 May 1868 Recorded in: Blackburn, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Paul
Husband's Father: James COWBURN
Wife's Father: David WARING
Source: FHL Film 1470928 Dates: 1854 - 1900

This is "Sue's family" in 1871 but it can't be William Whitworth and Mary Garstang because they weren't married yet. I had previously posted Mary, still single, in 1871 with her family.
1871 census
4 Han(something?) Court, Dunkinfield, Cheshire
William Whitworth, head, 26, collier, born Lancs, Ashton in Lyne
Mary, wife, 23, frame tenter cotton mill
George H., son, 2
James, son, 6 months
Wife & children born Dunkinfield.

Sorry for the delay, Peter, I' m 5 hours behind you.
There is no Whitworth/Garstang marriage on BVRI.
Susan, I had explained further up this page what BVRI is.

The Garstang family:
1871 census
46 Darwen St., Blackburn, Lancashire
Henry Garstang, head, 49, green grocer
Mary, wife, 50
*Mary J., dau, 23, assistant
Ann, dau, 18, cotton winder
William H., son, 16, cotton creeler
George E., son, 15, cabinet maker
John Thos., son, 10
*Alice M., dau, 7
Walter J., son, 4
Father & children born Blackburn, mother born Bridgenorth, Shropshire.