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I would be grateful for any help in searching for information on Lizzie Myatt, daughter of George Thomas Myatt and Mary Eleanor Hutton.

George and Mary Married in 1876 in Caistor.
They had the following children:
Thomas John (1878) Caistor
George (1879-1879) Caistor
Wilson Fisher (1880) Caistor
Nellie (1883) Caistor
and Lizzie....

I have a family photograph taken when Nellie was around 2, so approx 1885. In the photo is her older sister Lizzie (i would say approx 4-5 years old.)

The problem is that i can find no trace of a birth for a Lizzie Myatt and she does not appear on the 1891 Census with the family.

The family is on Grimsby on the 1891 Census. Mary has remarried George Brader and George Myatt is deceased.

Thanks

Are you sure that Lizzie is an older Sister and not a cousin or friend, also could Lizzie have been a nickname for her.

If she is abt 4/5 years older, then when did mum give birth as all the other children' birth does not leave a big enough gap for Lizzie unless she was the first born?

But she is not with them on the 1881 census either

1881
Name: Mary Eleanor Myatt
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Killingholme, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: 17 Hilda Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Fishermans Wife

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Eleanor Myatt 24
Thos.John Myatt 3
Wilson F. Myatt

Roy

Myatt births
Alfred Joseph Myatt 1862 Jan-Feb-Mar Caistor Lincolnshire
Clara Agnes Myatt 1869 Jul-Aug-Sep Caistor Lincolnshire
George Myatt 1879 Jul-Aug-Sep Caistor Lincolnshire
Mabel Miriam Myatt 1884 Oct-Nov-Dec Caistor Lincolnshire
Nellie Myatt 1883 Apr-May-Jun Caistor Lincolnshire
Percy Hartcliffe Myatt 1889 Oct-Nov-Dec Caistor Lincolnshire
Thomas John Myatt 1878 Jan-Feb-Mar Caistor Lincolnshire

deaths
George Myatt abt 1879 1879 Caistor Lincolnshire
Joseph Myatt abt 1830 1892 Caistor Lincolnshire
Percy Hartcliffe Myatt abt 1890 1894 Caistor Lincolnshire
Sarah Elizabeth Myatt abt 1834 1896 Caistor Lincolnshire
Wilson Fisher Myatt 1880 Oct-Nov-Dec Caistor Lincolnshire

no sign of lizzie, are you sure she was a daughter and not a niece or other relative?

Thanks Roy and Victoria for your input.
Nellie said that Lizzie was her sister, but you are both right, it just doesn't seem to fit. Maybe that was what Nellie believed but it wasnt actually true?

I havent been able to trace Mary Eleanor or George Thomas prior to their childrens births so i dont know if they had any siblings that could have been Lizzie's parents.

Nellie was registered as Nellie at birth, so i assumed Lizzie was not a nickname. I suppose it could have been though. Maybe Elizabeth or Isabel?

Victoria ~ I think you have Wilson Fisher under the wrong heading, he was born in 1880 and didnt die then.

Do you have the marriage cert for George Thomas Myatt and Mary Eleanor Hutton, if so what were there age's and fathers names and occupation's

Roy

Roy~ No i dont...its on my list!

However, i do know the following:
Mary Eleanor Hutton, born approx 1857 Killingholme, daughter of John Hutton and Mary Jane Fisher.

George was born approx 1854, no idea who his parents were (the reason i need the marriage certificate!)

So is this the family in 1891??

1891 England Census
about Mary E Brader
Name: Mary E Brader
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Killingholme, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Brader 35 Born Fulletby, Lincolnshire
Mary E Brader 34
George T Brader 15
Mary E Brader 11 <<<< Lizzie???
Thomas J Brader 13
Joseph E Brader 12
Willson F Myatt 10
Richard H Brader 8
Mellie Myatt 7


Dee xx

Dee~ Yes that is the correct family.
The 11 year old Mary E Brader is actually Elizabeth Mary Brader, known as Polly. She is on photograph with Lizzie so they cannot be the same person.

The photograph shows every member of the household in that 1891 Census, plus the elusive Lizzie. It was taken approx 5 years earlier than Census.

Looks like Lizzie was her stepsister!!

1881 England Census
about Eliz.M. Brader
Name: Eliz.M. Brader
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Geo.
Mother's Name: Eliz.M.
Gender: Female
Where born: Grimsby, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: Guys Buildings
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Geo. Brader 25
Eliz.M. Brader 22
Geo.Thos. Brader 5
Mary A. Brader 4
Joseph E. Brader 2
Eliz.M. Brader 1 >>>> our posts must have crossed, drat!!! Back to the drawing board!! xx

Dee ~ Dont go back to the drawing board just yet!

Ive just spotted a Mary A Brader (4) on the 1881...could she be Polly?

Hi Gemma,

Mary A could be Polly, Lizzie I would have thought should be short for Elizabeth???

Dee x

Her birth;

Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
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Brader Mary Ann Caistor 7a 678


Dee x

Dee, that could be right.
Odd that on the 1891 they would name Elizabeth M as Mary when they already have a daughter named Mary, but possible!

I wonder if this is Mary A on the 1891:
Name: Mary A Brader
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Grainsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Lane 22
Frederick Lane 2
Florence Lane 6 weeks
Mary A Brader 14

Here she is in 1891;

1891 England Census
about Mary A Brader
Name: Mary A Brader
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Grainsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Lane 22
Frederick Lane 2
Florence Lane 6 weeks
Mary A Brader 14


Dee x


SNAP

Dee, that could be right.
Odd that on the 1891 they would name Elizabeth M as Mary when they already have a daughter named Mary, but possible!

I wonder if this is Mary A on the 1891:
Name: Mary A Brader
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Grainsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Lane 22
Frederick Lane 2
Florence Lane 6 weeks
Mary A Brader 14

I think you may have cracked it....
I found a Mary Ann Brader Marriage to John Carter/Thomas Matthews and look who is Mrs Matthews in 1901:

Name: Mary A Matthews
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Grimsby
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Matthews 24
Rose A Matthews 8 months
Joseph E Brader 22
Elizabeth Brader 21

With Sister Lizzie/Elizabeth in the household!

On the photograph do you think you could age guess all the girls???

Dee x

Oh great, so little Lizzie was a sister, albeit step sister.


Dee x

Lizzie's marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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BETTS George Grimsby 7a 1306 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Brader Elizabeth Mary Grimsby 7a 1306 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Denton Eliza Ann Grimsby 7a 1306
MOGG Samuel George S Grimsby 7a 1306
Mogg Sarah George S Grimsby 7a 1306


1911 census;

HOUSEHOLD BETTS ELIZABETH MARY F 1880 31 Grimsby Lincolnshire

Using George as a reference.

Dee x

At least 1 possible child, wonder if you could follow him up and see if his children knew if she was called Lizzie???

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Betts Sidney Brader Grimsby 7a 1136


Dee x