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Victoria ~ I am already in contact with that tree owner!
Thanks for the marriage reference....im going to order that next week, once the other certificates ive already ordered turn up (another branch of family.)

myatt tree on ancestry has mary eleanor hutton's parents
http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/pt/person.aspx?tid=6034036&pid=-1359170421
John Hutton and Mary Jane Fisher

nothing on GT Myatt
marriage to Mary 1876 Caistor 4th qtr 7a p 1337

Thanks for all your help Dee. yes its a great feeling to put faces to the names.

Dont worry, i have a little 1911 tip so that it doesnt cost me a penny to find out who was in each household....just cant see the relationships between people my way.

Night

Gemma,

Just a quick tip. The 19111 census is ssooooo expensive, I tend to use the advanced search with a more unusual name in the other members of household and then cross reference them with eachother names. It's slower but it's free!!!! can't get better than free, unless you need to see their address or occupation.



Night, Night, Dee xx

Well the amount of children tally up when we add Mary A to the 1891 census, so I think Elizabeth is definately Lizzie.

How lovely to be able to put faces to names!!! Think it would make my spine tingle with glee.

Must go to bed now, night night, Dee xxx

Thanks....i keep forgetting about the 1911 Census!
Elizabeth and George's children:
May Betts, 5
William Betts, 1
Cecil Betts, 1 month

haha cross posting again! Me too, since they are all at the same address!

1911 census using Elizabeth Mary as reference;

HOUSEHOLD BETTS CECIL M 1911 1 MONTH Grimsby Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD BETTS MAY F 1906 5 Grimsby Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD BETTS WILLIAM M 1910 1 Grimsby Lincolnshire


I'm 99.9% sure these are her children.

Dee x

Picture was taken around 1895 so they had:
George (10) Polly (9) Thomas (8) Joseph (7) Lizzie (6) Wilson (5) Richard (3) Nellie (2) ...a busy house!

I would not have said that Polly looked 9 in the photo, but i suppose she must have been!

At least 1 possible child, wonder if you could follow him up and see if his children knew if she was called Lizzie???

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Betts Sidney Brader Grimsby 7a 1136


Dee x

Lizzie's marriage;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
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BETTS George Grimsby 7a 1306 <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Brader Elizabeth Mary Grimsby 7a 1306 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Denton Eliza Ann Grimsby 7a 1306
MOGG Samuel George S Grimsby 7a 1306
Mogg Sarah George S Grimsby 7a 1306


1911 census;

HOUSEHOLD BETTS ELIZABETH MARY F 1880 31 Grimsby Lincolnshire

Using George as a reference.

Dee x

Oh great, so little Lizzie was a sister, albeit step sister.


Dee x

On the photograph do you think you could age guess all the girls???

Dee x

I think you may have cracked it....
I found a Mary Ann Brader Marriage to John Carter/Thomas Matthews and look who is Mrs Matthews in 1901:

Name: Mary A Matthews
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Grimsby
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 92
Household Members: Name Age
Mary A Matthews 24
Rose A Matthews 8 months
Joseph E Brader 22
Elizabeth Brader 21

With Sister Lizzie/Elizabeth in the household!

Dee, that could be right.
Odd that on the 1891 they would name Elizabeth M as Mary when they already have a daughter named Mary, but possible!

I wonder if this is Mary A on the 1891:
Name: Mary A Brader
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Grainsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Lane 22
Frederick Lane 2
Florence Lane 6 weeks
Mary A Brader 14

Here she is in 1891;

1891 England Census
about Mary A Brader
Name: Mary A Brader
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Grainsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Lane 22
Frederick Lane 2
Florence Lane 6 weeks
Mary A Brader 14


Dee x


SNAP

Dee, that could be right.
Odd that on the 1891 they would name Elizabeth M as Mary when they already have a daughter named Mary, but possible!

I wonder if this is Mary A on the 1891:
Name: Mary A Brader
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Grainsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Grainsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Lane 22
Frederick Lane 2
Florence Lane 6 weeks
Mary A Brader 14

Her birth;

Births Mar 1877 (>99%)
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Brader Mary Ann Caistor 7a 678


Dee x

Hi Gemma,

Mary A could be Polly, Lizzie I would have thought should be short for Elizabeth???

Dee x

Dee ~ Dont go back to the drawing board just yet!

Ive just spotted a Mary A Brader (4) on the 1881...could she be Polly?

Looks like Lizzie was her stepsister!!

1881 England Census
about Eliz.M. Brader
Name: Eliz.M. Brader
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Geo.
Mother's Name: Eliz.M.
Gender: Female
Where born: Grimsby, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: St James
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: Guys Buildings
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Geo. Brader 25
Eliz.M. Brader 22
Geo.Thos. Brader 5
Mary A. Brader 4
Joseph E. Brader 2
Eliz.M. Brader 1 >>>> our posts must have crossed, drat!!! Back to the drawing board!! xx