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Katie
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18 Feb 2009 09:12 |
Some of my family are Howsegos and they were from Canning Town. The head of the house was Frederick William (sometimes recorded as William Frederick) his wife was Emily (nee Morris) they had 5 children: Arthur, William, George, Albert and Martha. In 1911 Emily was living with a man called John Litson, they were living at 16 Martindale Road, Custom House. If anyone has any information please contact me
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Catherine
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18 Feb 2009 09:23 |
The marriage for ref:-
Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%) <<<<<Howsego Frederick W. Ham 4a 20 Massey Robert Basset West Ham 4a 20 <<<<<Morris Emily W. Ham 4a 20 Williams Edith Mary W. Ham 4a 20
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Catherine
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18 Feb 2009 09:25 |
Also for ref/-
Births Jun 1900 (>99%) Howsego Arthur W. Ham 4a 128
Births Dec 1903 (>99%) Howsego George W. Ham 4a 132
Births Jun 1906 (>99%) Howsego Albert W. Ham 4a 362
Births Dec 1909 (>99%) Howsego Martha W. Ham 4a 172
but no William so is this the correct family?
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Catherine
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18 Feb 2009 09:27 |
There were also these from W.Ham:- Births Sep 1900 (>99%) Howsego Rosina Susan W. Ham 4a 186a Births Dec 1902 (>99%) HOWSEGO Frances Louisa W. Ham 4a 161 Births Mar 1904 (>99%) HOWSEGO Celia Florence E W. Ham 4a 189
so maybe two familys?
found this in the deaths:- Deaths Dec 1901 (>99%) Howsego Rosina Susan 1 W. Ham 4a 74 Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%) Howsego Frances Louisa 0 W. Ham 4a 57
so two of the girls died in infancy, so maybe the same family only never spoken about?
Are you looking to go forward, or backwards?
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Catherine
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18 Feb 2009 09:35 |
There is also this but as there is a middle name may not be the same Albert:- Deaths Mar 1909 (>99%) HOWSEGO Albert Edward 2 W. Ham 4a 83
edit:- not the same Albert as he is with the family in 1911 census!
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Catherine
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18 Feb 2009 09:37 |
Emily's second marriage:-
Marriages Mar 1923 (>99%) BRAIDLEY Ruby V Wiseman W. Ham 4a 504 <<<<Howsego Emily (Litson) W.Ham 4a 504 <<<<Litson John (Howsego) W.Ham 4a 504 Wiseman Edward G Braidley W. Ham 4a 504
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Catherine
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18 Feb 2009 09:46 |
The family in 1911:- Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District County HOWSEGO ALBERT M 1907 4 West Ham Essex HOWSEGO ARTHUR M 1900 11 West Ham Essex HOWSEGO EMILY F 1881 30 West Ham Essex HOWSEGO GEORGE M 1904 7 West Ham Essex HOWSEGO MARTHA F 1910 1 West Ham Essex HOWSEGO WILLIAM J M 1902 9 West Ham Essex
and finally found the birth for William:- Births Dec 1901 (>99%) HOUSEGO William John W. Ham 4a 190
but can't seem to find them in 1901 census??
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Katie
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18 Feb 2009 21:59 |
Thank you so much for replying, the information you gave me is correct and the right family.
One thing that is confusing me is that on the 1911 census Emily is listed as a widow, but Frederick didn't die until late 1923, so they were obviously separated, but she was married again before he died and I cant find any record of a divorce?
I need to look into the additional Howsego family you listed. I am finding it so difficult to find anything because my nan was a Howsego and sadly she died when I was young, but sadder still her father was obviously a Howsego and he died when she was just 8, so not a lot of information on that side of the family is known at all. I only have one Howsego left in my whole family, a great uncle in his 70s and he is desperate for any info, hence why I am searching for him.
Thanks again
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AnnCardiff
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18 Feb 2009 22:54 |
another member on here was searching for Housego's earlier this year - check in Search Trees for a connection
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 08:27 |
If you buy Frederick and Emily's marriage certificate it will give you Frederick's age so you can work out his date of birth. It will also give you his fathers name and occupation and names of witnesses which may help to find him in earlier census records.
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 08:51 |
Possible marriages:-
Search for Type: Marriages Surname: howsego Phonetic search: on First name(s): arthur Start date: Mar 1917 End date: Dec 1937
Marriages Dec 1921 Housego Arthur G (Dewar) Wandsworth 1d 1189 Dewar Hettie M (Housego) Wandsworth 1d 1189 The district Wandsworth spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Surrey
Marriages Mar 1924 Houseago Arthur T (Seaman) Mitford 4b 442 SEAMAN Beatrix M (Houseago) Mitford 4b 442 The district Mitford is in the county of Norfolk
only two for Arthur but both have middle names! and no deaths that correspond with date of birth? ...................................................................................................................... Search for Type: Marriages Surname: howsego Phonetic search: on First name(s): george Start date: Mar 1920 End date: Dec 1940
Marriages Sep 1922 HOUZEGO George A (Brandley) Brighton 2b 600 Brandley Grace (Houzego) Brighton 2b 600 The district Brighton spans the boundaries of the counties of Sussex and East Sussex
Marriages Sep 1931 Housego George T (Emery) Watford 3a 3053 Emery Vida M (Housego) Watford 3a 3053
edited:- so this is the correct marriage:-
Marriages Sep 1926 Housego George (Buckley) W.Ham 4a 866 Buckley Hilda (Housego) W. Ham 4a 866
1926 most likely! Children to go with this marriage:- Births Dec 1926 (>99%) Howsego Agnes H (Buckley) W. Ham 4a 260 Births Sep 1929 (>99%) HOWSEGO Violet M (Buckley) W. Ham 4a 311 Births Jun 1931 (84%) Howsego George A (Buckley) W.Ham 4a 285
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Katie
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19 Feb 2009 09:11 |
Hi
I have got Frederick and Emily's marriage certificate. They were married on Christmas day 1898. At the time it says he was 20, which means he was born around 1878 and Emily was 18 which means she was born around 1880. Fredericks father was called George and Emilys father was called David.
I did look back on other census, but they never seem to appear, even on 1901 there is no trace of them! so annoying :)
Thank you
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 09:16 |
Search for Type: Marriages Surname: howsego Phonetic search: on First name(s): albert Start date: Mar 1923 End date:Dec 1943 District: all
Marriages Dec 1924 Housego Albert C (Riddle) Richmond S. 2a 1203 Riddle Florence (Housego) Richmond S. 2a 1203 The district Richmond S. is an alternative name for Richmond Sry and it is in the county of Surrey
Marriages Mar 1926 Houseago Albert G (Potter) Mitford 4b 405 Potter Doris I ( Houseago) Mitford 4b 405 The district Mitford is in the county of Norfolk
Marriages Mar 1927 Housego Albert (Tayler) Paddington 1a 96 Tayler Mary A (Housego) Paddington 1a 96 The district Paddington spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London, London and Middlesex
Marriages Jun 1933 Housego Albert E (Kitchener) Romford 4a 1413 The district Romford is in the county of Essex
Only one without middle name (1927 entry)? Possible child for this couple:- Births Sep 1929 (>99%) HOUSEGO Albert ( Tayler) Paddington 1a 93 ....................................................................................................................
Couldn't find a marriage for Martha. Possible death:- Deaths Sep 1911 (>99%) Howsego Martha 1 Whitechapel 1c 382
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 09:19 |
What was your nan's name and date of birth? Was your Great Uncle your nan's brother and was his name?
With a name like Howsego you can expect to have lots of spelling mistakes so keep an open mind on any findings!
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Katie
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19 Feb 2009 09:30 |
Hi Catherine
Thank you so, so much for all of your help.
My nan's name was Agnes Howsego, she was born on 26 October 1926, my great uncle was her brother and his name is George, he was born around 1932. Their father (Frederick and Emily's son) was also called George Howsego. He was born in 1903 and died in 1937.
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 09:30 |
Possible birth for Emily:- Name: Emily Morris Year of Registration: 1880 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 67
Emily in 1891:- Name: Emily Morris Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: David Mother's Name: Elizth Gender: Female Where born: West Ham, London, England Civil Parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street address: 10 Forty Acre Lane
Registration district: West Ham Sub registration district: West Ham ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age David Morris 50 born: Sawbridgeworth - (Dock Lab.) Elizth Morris 41 born: Wadham William Morris 15 born: West Ham, London David Morris 12 born: West Ham, London Emily Morris 10 Albert Morris 8 born: West Ham, London Arthur Morris 6 born: West Ham, London
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Katie
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19 Feb 2009 09:40 |
I just realised you put my great nan Hilda and Georges marriage on, yes that is correct, and also the children you put are correct, Agnes Hilda (my nan), Violet Matilda (my great aunt), George Alec (my great uncle), they also had another two daughters, Amy (born 1933) and Margaret Rose (1934)
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 10:02 |
Nearly forgot William:- Possible marriages:- Marriages Dec 1925 Howsego William (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 644 Butcher Lylie (Howsego) W.Ham 4a 644
only the one!
Possible children:- Births Mar 1926 (>99%) Howsego Lylie N (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 380 Births Sep 1929 (>99%) HOWSEGO William A (Butcher) W. Ham 4a 309 Births Jun 1931 (84%) Howsego Alfred J (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 296 Births Sep 1933 (97%) Howsego John V (Butcher) W.Ham 4a 287
These names will give you more chance of finding someone else who is also researching the same family!
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Katie
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19 Feb 2009 10:24 |
Thanks Catherine.
I had the William marrying Lylie, and their daughter Lylie, she died a year later which is sad.
I didn't have the other children though so thats great.
Thats the thing that would be the easiest, if i could find someone else that are searching. I am joined to Ancestry.com and can you believe I am the only person on the whole site who are researching Howsegos in and around London and Essex, seems crazy!
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 10:25 |
So far this is the closest I can get to a Frederick Howsego born 1878+/- in 1891 census:- Name: Frederick Housago Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Barnwell, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: St Stephen Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street address: 35 King Street
Occupation: Labourer
Registration district: Norwich Sub registration district: Mancroft ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William R Marshall 57 born: Norwich, Norfolk - Painter Clara E Marshall 56 born: Trowse, Norfolk Elizabeth Skipper 71 Boarder Frederick Housago 13
The marriage for this couple:- Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%) Hannah William Norwich 4b 419 <<<<Housego Clara Norwich 4b 419 <<<<Marshall William Robert Norwich 4b 419 Wright Matilda Norwich 4b 419
If only you knew where Frederick was born?
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