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this one
http://www.ancestry.co.uk
you have to pay to see anything much but i find it the best

view image,,you can see scans of original census etc.

and this one for birth death and marriage ,which is free

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

good luck

there is no jane francis 1873/4/5 birth reg in machynlleth so maybe she wasnt reg
or was reg elsewhere
but to find that out you would need to write to the reg office and ask them to search the rcords for her,some charge some dont, and send every scrap of info you have
like poss mothers name,address,parish ,sub reg district etc
plus a cheque for £7 and a s.a.e and your phone number
vivienne

I think i will have to go to Aberystwyth then and see what i can find out. I only got information last night, and now thanks to you, ive gone back to around 1781! What site did you find all of this information on if you dont mind me asking?

Do you know why it says on some of the information "View Image"? Is there an image attatched to them?

Keelan

1841


Name: Ann Richard
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Cemmes
Hundred: Machynlleth
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Machynlleth
Sub registration district: Darowen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Name
John Richard 55<<<<<shoemaker
Ann Richard 60
John Richard 5<<the image clearly says age of 25
Ann Richard 15

address,,,middle cwm lline

john francis age 10 on 1881 is prob in service on a farm in 1891

very hard to find who the mother of grandaughter jane is without an awful lot more work unless a birth ref can be found to suit and cert is sent for

evan would have been working away maybe cos it was too far to his job to go every day and was in the proccess of finding a new one,often happened
,work or the workhouse,you would live in at work rather than no work and see your family on sundays.
will do a quick search for the richards in 1841 but to find all of their children you will be into parish records i think and will need to go to the national library of wales in aberystwyth or find them online if you are very lucky.

Hi Vivienne,
Thanks for researching all of that for me! The more information i get the more confused i seem to be hah

In your first reply today with the 1881 cencus there is a John Francis who is 10. But he doesnt seem to appear in the 1891 cencus. Do you know why that would be? Also you say about the granddaughter Jane, who may have been illigitimate, do you know how to find her mothers name?

I'm a little confused as to how many Children Evan and Anne Francis had, and why Evan isnt with Francis in 1851 and he is living with the Hughes family. Also im just wondering if you would be able to find how many children John and Anne Richards had?

Alot of questions i know, sorry!
You've been a brilliant help so far!
Keelan

evan 1851
is married and an agri lab and at ,,cemmes rectory,,
wish he would make his mind up where he was born


Name: Evan Francis
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangadfan, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Gwernybwlch
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Disability: View Image
Registration district: Machynlleth
Sub registration district: Machynlleth
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hughes 60
Margaret Hughes 58
Sidney Hughes 28
Elizabeth Hughes 24
Mary Parry 70
Owen Hughes 18
Mary Rees 26
Ann Davies 21
Evan Francis 35
Humphrey Howells 15

1881
Name: Evan Francis
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Cemmes
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Street address: Cwmlline Hamlet
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Machynlleth
Sub registration district: Darowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Francis 69
Anne Francis 52
John Francis 10<<<<,son
Anne Francis 19<<<<<<daughter
Jane Francis 7<<<<<granddaughter
prob illegitimate child of one of their daughters [jane possibly] as she is still with them in 1891

1891


about Evan Francis
Name: Evan Francis
Age: 80
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Llangadfan, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Cemmes
Ecclesiastical parish: Cemmes
Town: Brynuchel
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Machynlleth
Sub registration district: Darowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Francis 80<<<<grocer
Anne Francis 67
Anne Francis 26
Jane Francis 17

well you wouldnt want to be an ag lab at his age!!
evan and anne are gone from 1901 so died between1891 and 1901
i think you will find that some of their children died in childhood and others were named for the dead ones,a usual practice!
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1851 anne francis nee richards,looks like she has gone home to have elizabeth,,well theres lucky,,as we say
.makes her maiden name easier.



about Anne Francies
Name: Anne Francies
[Anne Richard]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Where born: Cemmes, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Brynuchel
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Occupation: View Image
Disability: View Image
Registration district: Machynlleth
Sub registration district: Machynlleth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
John Richard 65<<<<<<shoemaker/born cemmes
Anne Richard 72<<<born towyn merioneth
Anne Francies 26

address 30 cwm lline

where is evan then?

Thankyou very much for your help! and for staying up so late to do it! i appreciate it!

i look forward to hearing from you tomorrow or sometime soon!

Keelan

ancestry
and yes i should be able to do more
found evans marriage but there are two annes on the same page so will have to cross ref them on birth places to seeif i can see which one he married

freebmd

Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%)
Francis Evan Machynlleth 27 133
Francis E* Machynlleth 27 133
Owens Anne Machynlleth 27 133
Owens Jane Machynlleth 27 133
Richards Anne Machynlleth 27 133

and check original images to see if they make more sense
will try tomorrow for you
but im 95 percent sure i have the right people for the francis family just would like to spend more time on it!
vivienne

unfortunatley there are now three to choose from so it looks like you need his marriage cert for his father

Name: David Evans
Birth: abt 1844 - Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Residence: 1861 - Glyntrefnant, Montgomeryshire, Wales
servant


Name: David Evans
Birth: abt 1843 - Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Residence: 1861 - Glyntrefnant, Montgomeryshire, Wales
farmers son


Name: David Evans
Birth: abt 1842 - Trefeglwys, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Residence: 1861 - Bodaioch, Montgomeryshire, Wales
mason
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edit{{{ actually there are 6 so marriage cert for his fathers name and occupatin im afraid

Name: David Evans
Birth: abt 1844 - Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Residence: 1861 - Gelligason, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Name: David Evans
Birth: abt 1843 - Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Residence: 1861 - Keelcochwyn, Montgomeryshire, Wales



Name: David Evans
Birth: abt 1842 - Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Residence: 1861 - Llanfair, Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales

will look some more tomorrow if you like but tired now
vivienne

1871 Wales Census
about David Evans
Name: David Evans
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Llanfair, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanymowddwy
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanymawddwy
Town: Dinas Mawddwy
County/Island: Merionethshire
Country: Wales
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Dolgelly
Sub registration district: Talyllyn
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Jones 56
Anne Jones 51
John Jones 27
Richard Jones 19
Edward Jones 6
May Jones 20
Catherine Jones 8
Hugh Evans 19
David Evans 27

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1861 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Francis
Name: Elizabeth Francis
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Evan
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Female
Where born: Cemmes, Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Brynuchel
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Machynlleth
Sub registration district: Darowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Francis 46
Anne Francis 36
Elizabeth Francis 9
David Francis 8
Jane Francis 6
Anne Francis 4
Evan Francis 1
some children in service maybe or with grandparents,and dont know whats happened to evans age but same family ,same place
dad now an agri lab and says hes born ,,cemmes,,

you can search 1881 for free!
1871 Wales Census
about Elizabeth Francis
Name: Elizabeth Francis
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Evan
Mother's Name: Anna
Gender: Female
Where born: Cemmaes, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Brynuchel
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image
Registration district: Machynlleth
Sub registration district: Darowen
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 49
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Francis 55
Anna Francis 46
Elizabeth Francis 19
Evan Ferancis 17
Mary Ferancis 14
Susannah Ferancis 11
John Ferancis 9

dad evan is a labourer and born in llanfair

address ,,cwm llune,,on image but obviously anglicised from
cwm llyn
pretty sure ive found them in 1861 but want to check them further

If you wouldnt mind if course
i appreciate the help!

Yes please! :]

Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
EVANS David Machynlleth 11b 258
FRANCIS Elizabeth Machynlleth 11b 258

the one i thought it was then
want to try to go back more?

I know that Elizabeths maiden name was Francis as i have a copy of Hannah evans' (Elizabeths daughter) Birth certificate. Does this help at all?

Keelan

myfanwys birth reg

Births Sep 1894 (>99%)
Evans Myfanwy Machynlleth 11b 146

three likely marriages from,,freebmd,,

Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
EVANS David Newtown 11b 290
Marriages Sep 1875 (>99%)
EVANS David Machynlleth 11b 258
Marriages Sep 1876 (>99%)
Evans David Llanfyllin 11b 309

but you would need to get one of the childrens birth certs to be sure of elizabeths maiden name