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Hi all, Only online for about 20 minutes sorry.

SamSpade, I don't think these are that same drapers. Names dont match what I have for siblings.

Thanks Anyway.

1911 census for Phyllis M Draper
HOUSEHOLD DRAPER ERIC J M 1904 7 Meriden Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD DRAPER HELEN ELIZABETH F 1870 41 Meriden Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD DRAPER JOSEPH M 1867 44 Meriden Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD DRAPER JOYCE M F 1909 2 Meriden Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD DRAPER LOUIS P M 1897 14 Meriden Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD DRAPER SYDNEY J M 1899 12 Meriden Warwickshire
HOUSEHOLD DRAPER PHYLLIS M F 1907 4 Meriden Warwickshire

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Debra Atkins
Name: Debra Atkins
Mother's Maiden Surname: Coyne
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1963
Registration district: Surrey N E
Registration county: Surrey
Volume Number: 5g
Page Number: 934 (click to see others on page)

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about Clare Atkins
Name: Clare Atkins
Mother's Maiden Surname: Coyne
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1968
Registration district: Lambeth
Registration county: Greater London, Middlesex
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 393 (click to see others on page)

Victoria - technically, the register date refers to the date of registration, not to the date of the event. By law, a death was supposed to be rego'ed within 6 d after the death (or the body was found), and births within 6 w after the birth.
Before 1875, it was ultimately the registrar's job to find and record a birth, but after that it was the parents' responsibility. I think marrs were sent to the registrar by the ceremony's approved officiator. It wouldn't really be unusual to find someone born, say mar 17, to be rego'ed in April.

"September quarter" ie July Aug Sept, so the event will have take place at anytime in that period

Surrey Mid Eastern

One can look up BMDs at:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
This is an incomplete transcription of the GRO index - very little after 1930 - and the reference given allows one to buy certs from the GRO for 7 GBP - without that info they cost more, and who knows what if anything you'll get, but even nothing would cost you.

Woot!! Thank you very much.

marriage
coyne
marigold
allen j atkins

march quarter 1963 surrey n. e. vol 5g page 1154

Robert - just in case you ever want to request Irish birth, marriage or death certificates, details are on -

www.groireland.ie

thats me for the night folks happy hunting

sorry I have just had problems with internet.
I think Grumpy has given excellent advice.
There are lots of possibilities from the info we have at present. The worst mistake you can make is to make an assumption.
As you get into the census periods we can cross reference census with other records but you need the marriage first.
When you get it post the results on this thread
and hopefully you should get even better results.

pm's between me and robert

hi robert, don't know if you already have this so did not post this but have found the death index for cyril david coyne,
it is the same birth date as your cyril.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Cyril David Coyne
Name: Cyril David Coyne
Birth Date: 12 Sep 1936
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1995
Age at death (estimated): 59
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Register number: A87A
District and Subdistrict: 2561A
Entry Number: 75

I really appreciate this. We have had no contact with any of my fathers side since I was 7 (36 years ago). So, at least i can let my dad know.

do you mind if i post this because someone else may.
you can get the death certificate, it will give you a lot of information, also will tell you who registered it and their relation to him. also you could check the library close to there and see if they have back copies of newspapers for obituaries.
i am glad to have been of some help

Nope, I don't mind at all... Who knows, I might get to meet someone else that has been looking for me this way. :)

Thank you everyone for all the hard work you have saved me.

I will do exactly that and see if I can get the marriage license first.

Rob

robert
i am not sure if the births i posted are correct. they were possibles.I cannot see the other siblings.

will explain meriden district

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/Reg/districts/meriden.html

when registering births marriages deaths the year is split into quarters.
jan feb march referred to as march quarter
april may june as june quarter
july aug sep as september quarter
oct nov dec as december quarter

surrey mid e is the district the marriage was registered in

vol number is the book it is written in page is page in said book

so to order a certificate you got the gro site(general records office)
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

register, follow the instructions and you will see where and how the marriage index (as it is known) is used. never pay more than £7.00 the going rate. suggest you get marriage certificate first as it will give names of fathers which you can then cross reference with birth certificates

Christine, sorry for this stupid question but is Meriden a town?

have sent pm

Wow this is fascinating... I love the quick replies.

Thanks Christine. I'll add her to the tree and see if I can get a hot match from it. Also I'll try a census serch see if I can pull more info from there.


Rob.

No mothers maiden names not given at this point.