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Well - witness John Fisher - surely - ! John, husband of Charlotte Newbould, brother of Susannah.

(Whether or not any of the bumph about John & Amelia is true -- he's the only other Dinnington Fisher in the censuses apart from the James & Elizabeth batch, and he and Susannah surely must be related.)

I've tried to track down other children from that submitted list, to no avail. I suspect a lot of deaths in infancy. John might have been the only sib left by the time Susannah married. And I can't identify him in 1841, but you give it a try!

Dea

Just some extra info for you

Susannah dies in 1857, again I have this cert, she dies in childbirth, it appears that sadly the child she was carrying dies with her as there is no child aged about 4 in the 1861 with William. She dies at Hill Top, Dronfield.

Samuel, their son, marries Catherine Wilkinson in 1873 if my memory serves me correctly and it is their daughter Hannah where my connection with the Naylor's starts. Again I have all the certs for Catherine and her daughter Hannah, they all match up.

William appears to marry Theresa Murray in 1860 in Sheffield, sadly she too appears to die in 1865, he doesn't have much luck with his wives!

Hope this helps

Spiral

EvieBeavie

Thanks so much for staying with me.

Yes I have no doubt that you are right, John could well have been the only sibling she had left, and I still think that his marriage is a good starting point, if only to find out of their father's match up, you can bet your life it will be squiggle again!

John certainly seem to get about it, travelling to Lancashire and then ending up on Saddleworth Moor, but at least he and Charlotte are consistent with their info.

Just another snippet, Susanna's first child is called Sarah, I seem to remember a Sarah in the info you gave me. Could be barking up the wrong tree, but worth a shot!

Spiral

EvieBeavie

No I had no luck with a John Fisher in the 1841, that's why I posted to see if anyone else had any ideas. Those Aves are looking more and more likely to me. Today we would find it quite shocking to marry so quickly after the death of a spouse, but in those days, both parties needed someone to support them, I suppose Love didn't really come into it.

It just seems to fit doesn't it- can't find John or Susanna under the name of Fisher, but can find an Aves in the same area, John goes onto to marry Charlotte, same area again.

Spiral

We definately need that Newbould cert - I had a couple of ideas that didn't match but the extra info has further convinced me.

Let us know the details as soon as you receive it! - It looks even more likely now that Evie is correct.

I will keep looking in the meanwhile.

Dea x

Dea and Evie Beave

I agree, that cert is a must, hopefully it will shed some more light on Bill the supposed Blacksmith.

Thanks again to both of you , you have been brilliant! I don't know how you both do it sometimes.

I think the chap that has some Fisher's in his tree is worth a quick email too, if he says he has just copied it from the IGI, well I at least know not to trust his info.

Will definately call back in with the cert infoo when I get it.

Thanks again, don't know what I would do without you!

Spiral

Well, without all of us, I'd have to do work.

Which I must do now, actually, having been dumped with an urgency for tomorrow noon and not having started the thing I've had all along for the same time ... but this is so much more fun ...

EvieBeavie

I quite agree, chasing ancestors is so much more fun than work of any sort.

My hubby can't understand it, hence why he is watching the footy (now i think that is a waste of time!), he calls it "Chasing Dead People" and just can't understand my fasination with the family tree- heathen!!

Thanks again for you help, you really have been wonderful

Spiral

I DON'T believe it !!!!!!!!

I have just spent a couple of hours on this and found LOADS of interesting info - cut + pasted it into note book to sort and send to you and what happens - Bl******yy Vista decides to update itself - turns my computer off without a 'by your leave' and the LOT has disappeared.

I can remember a lot of it so I will have to find it all over again!!!

It will take a while - will be back later !

Grrrrrrrrrrrr

Dea x

P.S. - Anyone happen to know how I can get it back??

Dea x

You can't.

Do whatever you have to do to set the *(&#)%^ thing to NO AUTOMATIC UPDATES. Somehow, mine (XP) still manages to set itself to automatic updates sometimes. I usually get the countdown - I am going to turn myself off in 10, 9, 8, ... and I get the chance to say NO. But I have to say it every three minutes until I voluntarily shut it down. If I go pee, and miss the countdown, I'm outa luck. You remember the first season of Lost?

Lost, that is what it is. But you gotta get rid of the auto thing -- no auto download (it grinds you to a halt while it's doing it), no automatic install.

And the other lesson: save, save, save. Never mind notebook. Open a Word document, save it every couple of minutes. Document X-a, Document X-b, and so on. You can delete them all when you're done.

Take it from somebody who has had too many computers eat too many hours of work.

So. We're waaaaiting.

Spiral ... "Chasing Dead People" vs. chasing a dead pig, or whatever they make those round objects out of now ... chasing dead spheroid refined petrochemicals ..

I know which one I'll take.

One thing I can remember - I was following the Aves name which Evie was interested in from 1841.

Marriages Jun 1843

***AVES Lydia Sheffield 22 397
***Crownshaw Matthew Sheffield 22 397
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Traced them to 1851 - This shows that the AVES name is in fact probably correct and that the family, or at
least Lydia came from Essex


...................1851 England Census
about Lydia Crownshaw
Name: Lydia Crownshaw
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Matthew
Gender: Female
Where born: Brentwood, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Bradfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Oughtibridge
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Wortley
Sub registration district: Ecclesfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Matthew Crownshaw 31
Lydia Crownshaw 27
Jannet Gladwin Crownshaw 1

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2335; Folio: 436; Page: 2; GSU roll: 87581-87582.

I'm not sure if the Aves are relevant but it is useful to know where they came from?

Dea x

Thank you Evie,

I usually do save quite often but I was 'on a roll' with one page open for the Aves and another for the Hudsons+ Fishers' - I got so 'involved' I didn't think, then B****** Vista just closed my screen and logged everything off - I was SSSooo cross!!!!!!!

Anyway when I come back I will look at that 'automatic update' setting again (XP was so wonderful !!) - One of the annoying things about Vista is that you can set something to do what YOU want but it will actually change the settings back and not tell you !! GGrrrrr!

Dea x

Just one more installment before I go - got to give Evie something to 'chew on' !!

I also found the Hudson link - witness on the cert - I am just going to 'mumble' this all out for now,
I will have to find you the references again later and check I have remembered correctly....

I found a William Hudson (I believe it was 1841 census) - aged 72 and living with a Joseph Fisher aged 35
in Fisher Lane, Attercliffe. (Joseph was a butcher). - I believe the witness at the wedding was probably
this William,s son, rather that him ?

Next door to them, also on Fisher Lane was John Fisher - a farmer, aged 73.

There was a marriage I found of a John Fisher to Ruth Hudson and they had at least 2 children -
1 was Joseph and the other was George Hudson Fisher.

I believe John Fisher (the farmer above) had 4 sons - there was a John who was probably the one who
married Ruth, and he also had a William (who could possibly be yours)?

Unfortunately there are 2 or 3 lots of Fishers in the same vicinity - all obviously related - I had, just about
got them seperated but I need to go back now and get all the info again and re-sort it!!

I am off for a 'cuppa' now (need to 'unstress' myself before my Doctors' appointment - tee hee!) -
I REALLY DO HATE this stupid Vista System!!!!! (Rant over!!...)

Will get you the rest of the info again asap.

Best regards,

Dea x

A bit more:............


Joseph Fisher (from 1841 Census).........
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sheffield
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Attercliffe
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Hudson 72
Joseph Fisher 35 ............... Butcher



Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1333; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Sheffield; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 61; Page: 19; Line: 16; GSU roll: 464279.

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John Fisher
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1768
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sheffield
Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub registration district: Attercliffe
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Fisher 73 .................................Farmer
Sarah Hilton 44
Eliza Hilton 15
John Simson 29

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1333; Book: 2; Civil Parish: Sheffield; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 61; Page: 19; Line: 9; GSU roll: 464279.
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Marriage - 'submitted', but with source info: ???????

JOHN FISHER

Marriages:
Spouse: RUTH HUDSON Family
Marriage: 29 MAY 1791 Rotherham, Yorkshire, England

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Children:

Fisher, British Isles
Father: John , Mother: Ruth
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Batch Number: C150521
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1. GEORGE HUDSON FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 OCT 1808 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

2. JOSEPH FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 OCT 1805 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

More Possible children for John + Ruth:
Yorkshire, England, British Isles
Father: John Fisher, Mother: Ruth


MARY FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 15 JAN 1792 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

GEORGE HUDSON FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 OCT 1808 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

ELIZABETH FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 23 JAN 1801 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

JOHN FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 AUG 1794 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

JOHN FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 APR 1796 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

** ??? WILLIAM FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 JUN 1793 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

SARAH FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 JUN 1798 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

JOSEPH FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 SEP 1805

JOSEPH FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 OCT 1805 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England





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I kept only this one because of mother's name - Susannah:

Joseph Fisher
Birth:
Christening: 07 APR 1806 Of Thornhill, , Yorkshire, England

Father: Samuel Fisher Family
Mother: Susannah Bottom

*Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church (with source info!)
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Back to John from 1841 Census:

JOHN FISHER
Christening: 02 JUL 1767 Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England

Parents:
Father: ZEPHENIAH FISHER Family

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Other children for Zephaniah :

JOHN FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 JUL 1767 Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England

2. WILLIAM FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 OCT 1771 Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England

3. ROBT. FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 MAR 1765 Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England

4. JOSEPH FISHER - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 JAN 1774 Attercliffe, Yorkshire, England

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Just posting this for now - Hope you can follow it - I DID get further but am going out soon - I will try to find the rest asap.

Hope it helps (If nothing else it will keep you and Evie busy for a while !!!)

Dea Xxx

You couldn't keep me busy with something a whole lot more interesting than dead people right now. No sleep, again ...

I say throw 'em up in the air and see where they land.

But I think you do have the makings of the flesh on the bones I was mumbling over, there.

EVIE -No sleep is not good - Grannie Dea is telling you!!

Take heed from that and have a good night's sleep (10 hours at least by my standards!!) - We NEED you back on this case tomorrow!

Dea Xxx

Hee. I read that as

Evie -- No! Sleep is not good!

... some desperate attempt to dissuade me from wandering off. ;)

Food is better than sleep at the moment. Food, then sleep. I can't remember the name of what I'm going to eat just now, but I shall eat it with Belgian bread and much butter. Polish sausage that comes in a coil ... google google ... oh yes, kielbasa. I'll forget it again now, but I'll remember it in the morning. Low-fat low-sodium yummy. Food! Oh, and a shower. Probably more needed than sleep ...

Have fun!

Evie - Re-read!!

'No sleep' is NOT Good !!

10 hours sleep is what is needed!

I will have the same!

Will be back tomorrow - see you then.
Dea Xxx

Hi Spiral,

Have I found a good website for you ????????

http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/

Let me know what you think - I am sure you will find it useful.

Dea x