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Could anyone possibly help me find more information on my Great Grandparents, all I have is: Alexander MacDonald (telegraph linesman) & Jessie MacDonald (ne McLean) married 26 Jan 1900 in Inverness and had my Gran Jessie Macdonald 01 August1901 in Melros Inverness. Also my other Great Grandad James Kyle (steel smelter) & Great Grandmother Ellen Kyle (nee Greer) had my Grandad William Kyle 01 March 1895 in Protglenone Ballymena.
I would also be very greatful if anyone could point me in the direction of where would be the best place to find further information.

Thanks Helen

Hi Helen,

What exactly are you looking for? Have you tried Scotlands People website? Its a buy credits to view website.

Betty

Hi Betty

I'm trying to go further back, ie correct details for Grt Grans and Grandads and also Great great, but any website I have tried so far hasnt given me anything
I shall give that one a go

Thanks
Helen

Hi again Helen,

Do you mean further back as in Ireland, everyone has problems finding records of BMD in Ireland.

Betty

I'm not 100% sure my Great grandad was from Ireland, could be Lanarkshire Scotland

Helen,

You could try Scotlands People for Lanarkshire.

Betty

Hi Maura

Theres every possibility this could be them.

I'm really new to this familt tree stuff, where on earth did you get all that info! lol

Thanks
Helen

Thanks Betty

I would suggest your gran was born in Melrose ROX, not Melros INV.
Incidentally, I suppose you know Janet and Jessie are effectively the same name.
All SCT certs (i.e., B,M & D give the parentage of the principals if the informant knows it, except that fathers of illeg kids can't be added on b.certs unless they attend the registration).
You can buy uncertified images of the register for abt 1 GBP if it's old enough (100/75/50 y for B/M/D) - more recent stuff can only be gotten on certs at 10 GBP per.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
You can also buy census images from them at 1 GBP per.


1901 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 799/1
Registration district: Melrose
Civil Parish: Melrose
County: Roxburghshire
Address: Tweedbank
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 7
Page: 1
Roll: CSSCT1901_425

Alexander MacDonald 23 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Head Telegraph Lineman (g R O)
Jessie MacDonald 25 Avoch, Rossshire Wife Telegraph Lineman Wife

In addition to buying images thru ScotlandsPeople, you can rent films of a Old Parish Registers to view thru an LDS FHC.
To find one of these, search in the centre column at:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

You can do a place search in their library catalog to see what records they hold for, say, Rosemarkie (don't overlook the "view film notes" button when it appears at top right):

Title Blotter registers, 1844-1855
Authors Fortrose and Rosemarkie Free Church (Main Author)
Notes Microfilm of original records (Book MR. 42 ; vol. 1.) in the New Register House, Edinburgh.
Contains baptisms, 1844-1855.
Fortrose is a royal Parliamentary burgh in Rosemarkie Parish.

Note Location Film
Blotter registers FHL BRITISH Film 1068236 Item 10



Title Parish registers for Rosemarkie, 1739-1854
Authors Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Rosemarkie (Ross and Cromarty) (Main Author)
Notes Microfilm of O.P.R. ms. no. 80 in the New Register House, Edinburgh.

Note Location Film
Vol. 1, Baptisms, 1744-1819, marriages, 1739-1819, burials, 1775-1819 -- v. 2. Baptisms, 1820-1854, marriages, 1820-1854, burials, 1820-1854. (Preferred film for viewing. Use this before ordering the other filming.) FHL BRITISH Film 990658 Item 1


Of course, except for Scottish burial records, one has the alternative of buying images from SP for these.

For Scotland, a pretty fair number of these OPRs have been extracted, and the extracts appear in the IGI which can be searched (under advanced search) at:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
In addition to extracted records, the IGI contains records submitted by LDS members which are of variable quality.



I think Jessie MacDonald MS McLean was d/o Henry & Flora McLean MS MacDonald, and these records are Jessie's uncles and aunts:

Results for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: Roderick Mclean, Mother: Jessie Mackenzie
Exact Spelling: Off

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10. PETER MAC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 21 FEB 1849
11. PETER MAC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 FEB 1852 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

3. DONALD MAC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 17 OCT 1851
4. DONALD MAC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 FEB 1852 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

5. HENRY MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 APR 1854
6. HENRY MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 APR 1854 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

14. JOHN MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 APR 1854
15. JOHN MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 APR 1854 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

9. ISABELLA MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 07 JUN 1856 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

13. HARRIET MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 04 MAY 1858 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

7. MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 03 APR 1861 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
8. MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Death: 03 APR 1861

12. HELEN MAC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 15 MAY 1864 Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

1. PETER MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 23 DEC 1874 Fortrose, Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

2. HENRY MC LEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 06 FEB 1874 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

HENRY MC LEAN
Father: RODERICK MC LEAN
Mother: JESSIE MC KENZIE
FLORA MC DONALD
Father: ALEXANDER MC DO[nald]
Mother: JANET GILMOUR
Marriage: 06 FEB 1874 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Husband Age at Marriage: 20
Wife Age at Marriage: 16

PETER MC LEAN
Father: RODERICK MC LEAN
Mother: JESSIE MAC KENZIE
ELSPAT MANN
Father: ALEXANDER MANN[WILLIA]
Mother: WILLIAMINA MURRAY
Marriage: 23 DEC 1874 Fortrose, Rosemarkie, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Husband Age at Marriage: 25
Wife Age at Marriage: 24

[All are LDS submitted records, except Helen's is a GRO(S) index extract c110801
I'm inclined to think the submitter extracted them from GRO(S) and the Rosemarkie OPRs]

The IGI also has:

Results for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: Henry Mclean, Mother: Flora Macdonald
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: c110593

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1. ALEXANDER MORE MCLEAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 05 OCT 1873 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

[Under Scots law, if the parents of an illegitimate child are free to marry each other at the time of the birth, and subsequently marry (no matter how much later), then the birth is legitimized]


Alex MacDonald isn't exactly an uncommon name - you need his marr rego to Jessie to see his parents. Jessie's a bit easier because of her p.o.b. The census seems to concur with the view expressed in an earlier post.

1901 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 98
Registration district: Inverness
Civil Parish: Inverness
Town: Inverness
County: Inverness
Address: 2 Pumpgate St
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 70
Page: 10
Roll: CSSCT1901_29

Henry McLean 46 Rosemarkie, Rossshire Head Potato Merchant
Flora McLean 44 Avoch, Rossshire Wife Potatoe's Wife
Henry McLean 21 Avoch, Rossshire Son Potatoe Assistant
James W McLean 15 Inverness Son Potatoe Assistant
Peter McLean 11 Inverness Son Scholar
John McDonald 4 Inverness Grandson




1891 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 98
Registration district: Inverness
Civil Parish: Inverness
Town: Inverness
County: Inverness
Address: 34 Nelson Street
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 237
Page: 39
Roll: CSSCT1891_28

Henry McLean 37 Rosemarkie, Rossshire Head Potato Merchant
Flora McLean 34 Avoch, Rossshire Wife
Jessie McLean 15 Avoch, Rossshire Daur Ho Girl
Henry McLean 12 Avoch, Rossshire Son Scholar
James McLean 5 Inverness, Invernessshire Son Scholar
Peter McLean 1 Inverness, Invernessshire Son




1881 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 59A
Registration district: Avoch
Civil Parish: Avoch
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 55 Vewnelld
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 44
Page: 10
Roll: cssct1881_15

Henry McLean 27 Rosemarkie, Ross Head General Labourer
Flora McLean 24 Avoch, Ross Wife General Labourer'S Wife
Roderick McLean 3 Avoch, Ross Son
Henry McLean 2 Avoch, Ross Son




1881 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 59A
Registration district: Avoch
Civil Parish: Avoch
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 44 Henrietta
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 38
Page: 9
Roll: cssct1881_15

Flora More 65 Avoch, Ross Head Retired Farmer's Widow
Jessie McLean 5 Avoch, Ross Niece




1861 Scotland Census
about Flora More
Name: Flora More
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Alexander
Gender: Female
Where born: Avoch, Rossshire
Registration Number: 59
Registration district: Avoch
Civil Parish: Avoch
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Crosshill
Occupation: Farmer Wife
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 38
Page: 8
Roll: CSSCT1861_8

Alexander More 48 Avoch, Rossshire Head Farmer Of 40 Acres
Flora More 44 Avoch, Rossshire Wife Farmer Wife
Alexander More 84 Avoch, Rossshire Residentary Retired Farmer
William Fraser 58 Avoch, Rossshire Servant Labourer Agricultural
Margaret Matheson 20 Lochcarron, Rossshire Servant Domestic Servt
John Davidson 14 Avoch, Rossshire Servant Cow Herd



Results for: Alexander More, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Flora Gilmour
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: m110591

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1. ALEXR. MORE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 20 FEB 1857 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland

Roderick's a nice name to track - uncommon, but not so unusual a transcriber won't recognize it - so here's Roderick:


1841 Scotland Census
Civil Parish: Rosemarkie
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Hillockhead
Parish Number: 80

Donald MacLean 65 Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Farmer
Isabella MacLean 48 Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Roderick MacLean 20 Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Kenneth MacLean 15 Ross and Cromarty, Scotland
Margret MacLean 13 Scotland
Fergus MacKenzie 10 Ross and Cromarty, Scotland Ag Lab

Source Citation: Parish: Rosemarkie; ED: 1; Page: 3; Line: 1300; Roll: CSSCT1841_11-0064; Year: 1841.



1851 Scotland Census
Parish Number: 80
Civil Parish: Rosemarkie
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Killock Head
Occupation: Employd On The Farm
ED: 1A
Page: 7
Household schedule number: 16
Roll: CSSCT1851_17

Donald McLean 16 Avoch, Rosshire Head Farmer Of 20 Acres-30 Pasture
Isabella McLean 61 Rosemarkie, Rosshire Wife
Roderick McLean 30 Rosemarkie, Rosshire Son Employd On The Farm
Keneth McLean 25 Rosemarkie, Rosshire Son Employd On The Farm
Cathrine McLean 20 Rosemarkie, Rosshire Daughter Employd In The House
Margaret McLean 4 Rosemarkie, Rosshire Grandaughter Natural Grand Daughter
Peter McLean 2 Rosemarkie, Rosshire Grandson Natural Grandson
Willm Davidson 12 Knockbain, Rosshire Servant Herd Boy



1861 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 80
Registration district: Rosemarkie
Civil Parish: Rosemarkie
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 16 High St
ED: 2A
Household schedule number: 41
Page: 6
Roll: CSSCT1861_10

Isabella McLean 71 Rosemarkie, Ross Head Inmins Widow



1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 80/1
Registration district: Rosemarkie Fortrose
Civil Parish: Rosemarkie
Town: Rosemarkie
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Bridge St
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 43
Page: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_14

Isabella McLean 80 Rosemarkie, Ross-Shire Head Formerh Farmers Widow



1861 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 80
Registration district: Rosemarkie
Civil Parish: Rosemarkie
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Lower Hillock Head
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 18
Page: 4
Roll: CSSCT1861_10

Roderick McLean 40 Cromarty, Cromarty Head Farmer Of 11 Acres
Janet McLean 39 Parish, Inverness Wife
Margaret McLean 14 Parish, Inverness Son Farmer's Daur
Peter McLean 12 Parish, Inverness Son Farmer's Son
Donald McLean 9 Rosemarkie, Ross Son Farmer's Son
Henry McLean 7 Rosemarkie, Ross Son Farmer's Son
John McLean 7 Rosemarkie, Ross Son Farmer's Son
Isabella McLean 4 Rosemarkie, Ross Daughter Farmer's Daur
Harriet McLean 2 Rosemarkie, Ross Daughter
William McKenzie 3 Parish, Inverness Boarder



1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 61/2
Registration district: Cromarty
Civil Parish: Cromarty
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: 3 Glenurquhart
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 10
Page: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_11

Roderick McLean 50 Cromarty, Cromartyshire Head Farm Serv
Jessie McLean 49 Inverness, Invernessshire Wife
Peter McLean 22 Rosemarkie, Rossshire Son Farm Serv
Harriet McLean 10 Rosemarkie, Rossshire Daughter Scholar
Hellen McLean 6 Rosemarkie, Rossshire Daughter
William Robson 11 Inverness, Invernessshire Nephew Scholar
Donald McLeod 27 Nigg, Rossshire Boarder Labourer
James Campbell 30 Contin, Rossshire Boarder Shepherd
Donald McLennan 25 Strathconnon, Rossshire Boarder Shepherd




1881 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 98
Registration district: Inverness
Civil Parish: Inverness
County: Invernessshire
Address: 7 Lower Kessock St
ED: 19
Household schedule number: 139
Page: 30
Roll: cssct1881_28

Roderick McLean 58 Cromarty, Ross & Cromarty Head Labourer Gen
Jessie McLean 57 Inverness Wife
Hellen McLean 17 Rosemarkie, Rossshire Daughter
James Thomson 1 Portobello, Edinburgh Boarder
John McLennan 30 Avoch, Rossshire Boarder Labourer Gen
Simon Fraser 20 Kiltarlity G, Inverness Boarder Carpenter

Now Jessie MacDonald MS McLean, d/o Henry + Flora McLean MS McDonald is with aunt Flora More MS Gilmour in 1871.
Flora is really her g aunt, the distinction is often not made.
Flora's sis was Janet McDonald MS Gilmour, w/o Alexander and mother of Flora.
I didn't find Flora More MS Gilmour in 1871 - I think this is her, mistranscribed:


1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 59
Registration district: Avoch
Civil Parish: Avoch
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Crosshill
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 60
Page: 16
Roll: CSSCT1871_11

Alexander More 58 Crosshill, Rosshire Head Farmer Of 50 Acres Arable
Field More 59 Crosshill, Rosshire Wife Farmers Wife
Flora MacDonald 14 Crosshill, Rosshire Niece
Mary Donaldson 18 Crosshill, Rosshire Servant General Servant
George Davidson 78 Inverness, Invernesshire Servant Farm Servant
John Foreman 15 Nairn, Nairnshire Servant Farm Servant


My guess is Alex + Janet McDonald MS Gilmour are dead by 1871, but since Flora's only 14, there should be a statutory d.rego for them, and possibly a stat m.rego too (stat regos began in 1855 in SCT - 1864 in Ireland, except non-RC marrs began abt 1846 there).
I didn't find any of them in 1861 - Flora wasn't with her aunt Flora is all I can say.
I've never found Alex - you'ld need to see his marr or d.rego for his details.


Transcription of ROC is complete for 1841 - partial for 1851 (misses Applecross, Avoch, Rosemarkie, etc.) at:
http://www.freecen.org.uk/

Piece: SCT1841/59 Place: Avoch -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Avoch Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 3
Address: Lochleay

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
GILLMORE James M 55 Farmer Ross and Cromarty
GILLMORE Flora F 40 Ross and Cromarty
GILLMORE Flora F 22 Ross and Cromarty
GILLMORE Jannet F 20 Ross and Cromarty
GILLMORE Ann F 18 Ross and Cromarty
GILLMORE James M 16 Ross and Cromarty
GILLMORE William M 13 Ross and Cromarty
MACIVER Duncan M 10 Ross and Cromarty


Don't know relevance of this h/h:

Piece: SCT1841/59 Place: Avoch -Ross and Cromarty Enumeration District: 1
Civil Parish: Avoch Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 3
Address: -

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MACIVER Floria F 60 Independent Ross and Cromarty
MACIVER Henriata F 25 Ross and Cromarty
FRASER Mary F 5 Ross and Cromarty
FRASER Christy F 2 Ross and Cromarty
FRASER Floria F 15d Ross and Cromarty

[NB on 1841 census, adult (15+) ages were supposed to be rounded DOWN to a mult of 5]


1851 Scotland Census
Parish Number: 59
Civil Parish: Avoch
County: Ross and Cromarty
Address: Locklay
Occupation: House Servant
ED: 3
Page: 10
Household schedule number: 35
Roll: CSSCT1851_13

James Gilmour 66 Avoch, Rossshire Head Farmer Of 32 Acresimphoyerg 2 Labourer
Florah Gilmour 53 Avoch, Rossshire Wife
Florah Gilmour 32 Avoch, Rossshire Daughter House Servant
Ann Gilmour 28 Avoch, Rossshire Daughter House Servant
James Gilmour 25 Avoch, Rossshire Son Agr Labourer
William Gilmour 33 Avoch, Rossshire Son Agr Labourer
James McLennan 14 Avoch, Rossshire Servant Herd Boy

Results for: James Gilmour, Ross and Cromarty, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Flora Mackiver
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: m110595

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1. JAMES GILMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 15 MAR 1816 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland



Results for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: James Gilmour, Mother: Flora [McIver]
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: c110592

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1. FLORA GILMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 06 JAN 1817
2. FLORA GILMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 JAN 1817 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
[Mackiver]

7. JANNET GILMORE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 03 JUN 1819
8. JANNET GILMORE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUN 1819 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
[McIvor or Graless]

3. JAMES GILMORE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 NOV 1824
4. JAMES GILMORE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 DEC 1824 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
[McIver]

5. WILLIAM GILMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 18 FEB 1827
6. WILLIAM GILMOUR - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 FEB 1827 Avoch, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
[McIver]


[These extracts are incorrectly coded, and the mum's MS is entered as a mid-name]

Hi Mgnv

Thank you very much for all the helpful information
Its very much appreciated, as is everyones.

Helen

My Great grandmother was Isabella Maclean born 1856 above mentioned.She moved to Lancashire and married John Jump

David - Helen's thread is 2 y o
You should click on her name and send her a private message. GR will notify her (at the last email addy she gave them).

Incidentally, although you didn't ask for any help, for your Jumps there's a fair amount that can be gotten from:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

Here's John a=15:
1861 Census
Piece: RG9/3142 Place: Alston -Lancashire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Dilworth Ecclesiastical Parish: Ribchester Church
Folio: 49 Page: 2 Schedule: 7
Address: High House, Dog & Partridge
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
JUMP John Head M M 57 Innkeepr/frmr 62ac Emp. 1 Man Lancashire - Bretherton
JUMP Margreat Wife M F 51 Lancashire - Bleasdale
JUMP Elizabeth Dau U F 25 Lancashire - Chipping
JUMP Ann Dau U F 22 Lancashire - Dilworth
JUMP John Son U M 15 Scholar Lancashire - Dilworth
JUMP Thomas Son U M 13 Scholar Lancashire - Dilworth
PARKINSON John Servnt U M 22 Servant Lancashire - Goosnargh
[High House is abt 3km NE of Longridge town]

My Maclean ancestors lived at Hillock Head Farm which is now holiday cottages.Would be interested in meeting up with any Maclean's with matching ancestry.
We are staying at these holiday cottages the weekend of 27th-28th Ocober 2017

David -
it's almost certain that no Macleans related to you , and living in the area of Hillock Head Farm, will just happen to see your message.

You can try "Search All Members Trees" under "Search" at the top of this page, and see if anyone has your relatives in their tree. If so, click on "Find out more" to contact them.

But it's still an extremely long shot, that any of them would be living near where you're staying - if that's what you mean (maybe I've misunderstood your post.)
Some relatives might, however, be able to meet you somewhere else, at another time.