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hi harold
i will have a scout about see what i can find i will be spening most of the day there so will have a good look & get back to you on thursday evening either way to let you know if i have found anything or not
jacky

Jacky Thank you for the offer, as you can see from the thread I don't have a lot to go by, only the fact that my Gran was named as Jane elizabeth Smith b1868. On the 1891 census she was born yorks but on the 1901 census she was born Leeds so I'am not sure were she was born. I do think that maybe the 1891 census might have just made a mistake as all the people seemed to come from york . It would be nice if you could see if there are any jane elizabeth Smith born in 1868, I think now she was a single mothers child who for some reason could'nt keep her?
Kind Regards Haold

Realy Dee, I am in tear with appreciation, I can't spell the word anymore just tired I guess Thank You Thank You so much, and yes my Fathers side of the family go back to 1719 all married to their partners until I got to Henry b1855 and Jane.
Kind Regards
Harold xx
P s by the way my name is Marion lamb it would have been nice to have found my gran
God Bless

hello all
i have jumped onto this rather late & it looks like thers been a lot of work done i live in leeds & on thursday i.m going to main leeds libary where all the records are kept & you can search for free is there anything that you would like me to have a look for certs etc to help in anyway i only have a few look ups of my own to do so don.t mind just let me know

jacky

I think Harold, this maybe 1 mystery that is not going to be solved, even if we found a Jane Elizabeth Smith of the right age, without a marriage certificate we could never prove that it would be her......... very frustrating!!!!!!!

The lady appears from nowhere and then does a disappearing act.......... not easy to follow 1 like that.

Harold I hope that your other family names are easier for you to trace, and tell the Grandchildren not to marry extremely popular surnames, it should make it easier in 150 years time for their descendants!!!!

Dee xx

1901 England Census
about David J Smith
Name: David J Smith
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Thorpe Wellon, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
David J Smith 56
Mary Ann Smith 56


Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
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Sadler Mary Ann York 9d 77 <<<<????
Smith David James York 9d 77
Waterhouse Mary A York 9d 77 <<<<<<<<<????



I not sure if he's lucky or unlucky to have had 3 different wifes, but whatever he's doing it's killing them off !!!!!

Well never mind Dee, Thank you so much for all you have done you have been absolutley brilliant ,I really can't thank you enough. I will have to Keep digging. I did find Jane e Smith with a Mary Hemingway but I think that will also lead me up a dark alley as she was also still single.
God Bless you Dee
Harold
P.S I will go to bed tonight and sleep, I am tired of chasing the Smith family

Hi Harold,

I'll looked into these Smiths and found their marriage;


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1865
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Kneeshaw Catherine Scurrah York 9d 72
Smith David James York 9d 72



David has remarried by 1891;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1887
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RICHARDSON Margaret York 9d 134
Smith David James York 9d 134


1891 England Census
about David Smith
Name: David Smith
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Sherborne, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Bishopshill Junior
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: York
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
David Smith 48
Margaret Smith 45
William R Richardson 14
Isabella Richardson 12



Kate/Catherines death;

Deaths Mar 1885 (>99%)
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SMITH Katharine Scurrah 44 York 9d 21




1871 England Census
about Catherine Smith
Name: Catherine Smith
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: York, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Bishopshill Junior
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 343
Household Members: Name Age
Rickman Reed 37
Martha Reed 33
Catherine Smith 31
Annie Smith 4
Elizabeth J Smith 2
John Smith 20 <<< Boarder, Engine Cleaner

The Reed family are from the household above and shouldn't be there.



However, this is my main concern;

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Jane Smith
Name: Elizabeth Jane Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: St Michael Spurriergate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael Spurrier Gate
Town: York
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Bootham
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Peart Butt 64
Betsy Ann Butt 62
Wm Hy Butt 25
Esther Louisa Wilson 31
Mary Jane Janson 28
Elizabeth Jane Smith 22


This could blow my theory out of the water!!!!


Dee x

Hi all, I was on the site yesterday looking for Jane e Smith b1868/9 Leeds or Yorks. She was my Grandmother and she lived with Henry Lamb and Had 7 children with him. Could'nt marry as Henry had been marriade before.
Dee was very kindly helping me find her. I think Dee may be right in thinking that Jane e Smith was in fact Elizabeth J Smith and if Dee is still looking, I was up most of the night hunting Smiths, and I my have found them on th 1871 census but not sure? a Catherine Smith with Annie age 4 and Elizabeth jane age 2 Could the Kate be short for Catherine. David was in lodgings in Peterborough, he was a train driver on both census. But can't find on 1891census. I know it is asking a lot , If you are still there Dee is it possibe to check this out for me!!!
Kind Regards
Harold

Ooh Smiths don't you just love them....

The Jane E Smith born 1867 Leeds, parents John and Ann are still in Armley Leeds in 1881 and 1891, so I wouldn't think this is your lady.. and the Jane E Smith born 1870 Leeds is still with her parents in 1891..... so another 1 ruled out.


I can't find any census info for this birth;

Births Jun 1868
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SMITH Jane Elizabeth York 9d 57


I think this maybe the lady I've been following with the parents being David and Kate, and I'm hoping this is your Grandmother... however proving it is going to be difficult.


Dee x

Hi Dee I can't thank you enough for all the efford you have put in to finding the smith girl, You have been absolutly brilliant , I have to go and get my grand chlidrens tea ready, I will look back later, if you find no more information I know you have done all you could, and I can't express how gratful I am for all your help.
God Bless for now
Harold

Looking at Elizabeth Jane Smith again, there was only 1 possible marriage for her.... I haven't been able to find our lady with the possible spouses.

It seems strange that on the 1881 census for this lady her complete name was written down, this is often a sign that she went by her middle name........... so we could be on the right track......... very similar name....similar dob......... same area as Henry Lamb in 1881, just frustrating that I can't tie it all in for you Harold.


Dee x

On the 1911 census Jane or jane e has disappeared. found son henry 1897 with another Lamb john b1902 sent for his cert, and he is also Henry and Janes son. the boys were lodgers in Strensall yorks . Found 2 girls in the same area Alice and Elizabeth which I think is Eliza same age. Elizabeth was living with John taylor as his adobted Neice. Never found Sarah jane or Eva

Hi Dee, I misread one of your messages, Henry Lamb my grandfather b1855 was reg. under the name Lamb.
My father Henry Lamb b1897 was reg. under Lamb. Hope this helps with the confusion of Lamb and Taylor

I've been looking for the Smith family I found earlier, the father David is living with another lady and her 2 elder children, can't see Kate Snr, I may have found Elizabeth Jane Smith working as a servant close by in 1891, however it's definate................ so we still need to find a DEFINATE with your lady Smith.

Has the 1911 census thrown up any extra clues???

Dee x

You've got it right Dee, Sarah Lamb had Henry Lamb before she married John Taylor, Her single name was Lamb. and Thank you so much for all you are doing

Still looking, just incase someone else pops along to help (PLEASE) and the Taylor Lamb thing confuses;


1861 England Census
about Henry Lamb
Name: Henry Lamb
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: St John, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: York St John Micklegate
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: York
Sub registration district: Micklegate
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 132
Household Members: Name Age
John Taylor 37
Mary Taylor 25
Henry Lamb 6
John Taylor 2

If the Ladys name is taylor it will be Henrys mother

Hi Harold,

I'm struggling to trace the Smith family prior and after 1881, I'll keep digging for awhile longer.

I just thought , however might be sheer coincedence, that a lady with a very similar name is living in close proximatey to Henry .....



Dee x

Hi Dee, He was born lamb before his mother Sarah Lamb married Taylor, Did you manage to find any marriage for this Elizabeth jane born york?