Find Ancestors

Re gardener / ag lab --

I have two Devon christenings, 1819 and 1822, with the same parents. In 1819 the father is gardener, in 1822 he is ag lab.

It may be that the person was actually a gardener, and whoever was doing the recording (remember the person himself would have been illiterate) generalized it to ag lab in some instances. A gardener may have been a wee step up, someone with less seasonal / more secure employment for a particular employer, say?

Hi Evie!!

I think I'd prefer a gardener to an Ag Lab (even if they spelt it Gardner on the marriage cert). I have another gardener on another branch of the tree (no pun intended) - and if I have gardening genes, then why do all my plants die so quickly??? My family always joke that I can kill plastic daffodils.......

Enough tomfoolery!! (lovely word, that) Get back to your digging, Lynne, unearth those ancestors!!

Lynne
x

Thanks for all the help ladies.

Have to go now - grandchildren coming for tea! Hopefully back later.

Lynne

Since she married in Manchester in 1844, do you think this might be her in 1841?


Name: Mary Coppeck
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
> not born in county

Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire


Do we know where John H/Ector was in 1841?

Where in the censuses does it say Mary was born in Dukinfield?

Could you reproduce them? I can't find her, except in 1851 when it says she was born in Manchester, if that's the right one I had earlier:

Name: Mary Hector
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Lodger (with husband John and two kids)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burslem


There doesn't seem to be a single COPP* in the censuses born in Dukinfield.

The Mary daughter of John and Phoebe is the only Coppock born in Dukinfield in the IGI:

C076442
C076441
C109531*
C076451

and the IGI has no other children of John and Phoebe, and just the submitted John Coppock + Phebe Rollinson marriage, 1814 in Bowdon.

In 1851, we have some Copp*s *in* Dukinfield:


Name: William Coppock
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield

- in 1841 they were in Manchester.


Name: Betty Coppock
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Sister - unmarried
Where born: Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield

so her sister would be a Coppock too:

Name: Mary Rotheram
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head - widow
Where born: Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield


Ah, finally -- where to find Dukinfield in 1841:

Name: Betty Coppock
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804

Civil Parish: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
> Sub registration district: Dukinfield

Hi Evie Beavie et al

Sorry, couldn't get back to this last night.

Anyway, Evie, to answer your question, the Dukinfield comes from the 1861 census under where born

ref: RG9/1928/12/17

and in 1871 - under the name of EATON on transcription, but definitely ECTOR on actual page:

ref: RG10/2851/60/14.

By 1881 Mary had died, and John Ector was living with his daughter Pheobe and her husband (I have details of census etc)

I'll take a look at Coppocks etc that you found - may well be same family.

Thanks

Lynne
x

BVRI has these two:

COPPOCK, Mary Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 11 Aug 1816 Recorded in: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Father: Edward COPPOCK
Mother: Amy
Source: FHL Film 1751716 Dates: 1813 - 1816

COPPOCK, Mary Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Sep 1819 Recorded in: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Father: John COPPOCK
Mother: Margaret COPPOCK
Source: FHL Film 1751718 Dates: 1819 - 1822

Thank you Margaret, but I don't think either of these is mine.

Reasoning:John and Mary's children were called Sarah, Mary, James and Pheobe (Phoebe).

Following standard naming traditions of that time: 1700 - 1850
The standard naming pattern was commonly used in england and the americas

first son father's father
first daughter father's mother
second son mother's father
second daughter mother or mother's mother
third son father's name
third daughter mother or mother's mother
fourth son father's eldest brother
fourth daughter mother's eldest sister
fifth son father's second oldest brother or mother's eldest brother
fifth daughter mothers second eldest sister or fathers eldest sister

1st girl, Sarah was probably named after John's mother.
2nd girl, Mary was named after her mother.
1st boy, James named after John's father
3rd girl, Phoebe named after Mary's mother

So as there are no Margaret's or Amy's in the children, I think Phoebe was probably the name of Mary's mother.

I hope all that makes sense!! I got the naming traditions from a magazine article some time ago - it's been quite useful - but I can't remember which magazine.....

Thanks for your interest

Lynne
x

hi i have a john coppock in my tree born 1826father william and mother mary jackson, william was a gardener in dunham woodhouse, all my coppocks seem to come from around hale bowdon and timperley and a loy married at manchester cathedral. my names lynne too i noticed another lynne was answering some of youe questions

Just in case Lynne isn't reading this, try clicking on her name and sending a message direct [pm]

Hi Lynne 2! You could also try putting your family's names into the search box above to see if anyone else on this site has them in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner.

Why not start a thread of your own, telling us what/who you are looking for and what info you already have and I am sure someone will help you. Regards. Cx.