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Hi Lynne 2! You could also try putting your family's names into the search box above to see if anyone else on this site has them in their tree. If you find a connection, you can contact the tree owner.

Why not start a thread of your own, telling us what/who you are looking for and what info you already have and I am sure someone will help you. Regards. Cx.

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hi i have a john coppock in my tree born 1826father william and mother mary jackson, william was a gardener in dunham woodhouse, all my coppocks seem to come from around hale bowdon and timperley and a loy married at manchester cathedral. my names lynne too i noticed another lynne was answering some of youe questions

Thank you Margaret, but I don't think either of these is mine.

Reasoning:John and Mary's children were called Sarah, Mary, James and Pheobe (Phoebe).

Following standard naming traditions of that time: 1700 - 1850
The standard naming pattern was commonly used in england and the americas

first son father's father
first daughter father's mother
second son mother's father
second daughter mother or mother's mother
third son father's name
third daughter mother or mother's mother
fourth son father's eldest brother
fourth daughter mother's eldest sister
fifth son father's second oldest brother or mother's eldest brother
fifth daughter mothers second eldest sister or fathers eldest sister

1st girl, Sarah was probably named after John's mother.
2nd girl, Mary was named after her mother.
1st boy, James named after John's father
3rd girl, Phoebe named after Mary's mother

So as there are no Margaret's or Amy's in the children, I think Phoebe was probably the name of Mary's mother.

I hope all that makes sense!! I got the naming traditions from a magazine article some time ago - it's been quite useful - but I can't remember which magazine.....

Thanks for your interest

Lynne
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BVRI has these two:

COPPOCK, Mary Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 11 Aug 1816 Recorded in: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Father: Edward COPPOCK
Mother: Amy
Source: FHL Film 1751716 Dates: 1813 - 1816

COPPOCK, Mary Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 12 Sep 1819 Recorded in: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Father: John COPPOCK
Mother: Margaret COPPOCK
Source: FHL Film 1751718 Dates: 1819 - 1822

Hi Evie Beavie et al

Sorry, couldn't get back to this last night.

Anyway, Evie, to answer your question, the Dukinfield comes from the 1861 census under where born

ref: RG9/1928/12/17

and in 1871 - under the name of EATON on transcription, but definitely ECTOR on actual page:

ref: RG10/2851/60/14.

By 1881 Mary had died, and John Ector was living with his daughter Pheobe and her husband (I have details of census etc)

I'll take a look at Coppocks etc that you found - may well be same family.

Thanks

Lynne
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In 1851, we have some Copp*s *in* Dukinfield:


Name: William Coppock
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield

- in 1841 they were in Manchester.


Name: Betty Coppock
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Relation: Sister - unmarried
Where born: Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield

so her sister would be a Coppock too:

Name: Mary Rotheram
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head - widow
Where born: Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Dukinfield


Ah, finally -- where to find Dukinfield in 1841:

Name: Betty Coppock
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804

Civil Parish: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Registration district: Ashton under Lyne
> Sub registration district: Dukinfield

Where in the censuses does it say Mary was born in Dukinfield?

Could you reproduce them? I can't find her, except in 1851 when it says she was born in Manchester, if that's the right one I had earlier:

Name: Mary Hector
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Lodger (with husband John and two kids)
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Burslem


There doesn't seem to be a single COPP* in the censuses born in Dukinfield.

The Mary daughter of John and Phoebe is the only Coppock born in Dukinfield in the IGI:

C076442
C076441
C109531*
C076451

and the IGI has no other children of John and Phoebe, and just the submitted John Coppock + Phebe Rollinson marriage, 1814 in Bowdon.

Since she married in Manchester in 1844, do you think this might be her in 1841?


Name: Mary Coppeck
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
> not born in county

Civil Parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire


Do we know where John H/Ector was in 1841?

Thanks for all the help ladies.

Have to go now - grandchildren coming for tea! Hopefully back later.

Lynne

Hi Evie!!

I think I'd prefer a gardener to an Ag Lab (even if they spelt it Gardner on the marriage cert). I have another gardener on another branch of the tree (no pun intended) - and if I have gardening genes, then why do all my plants die so quickly??? My family always joke that I can kill plastic daffodils.......

Enough tomfoolery!! (lovely word, that) Get back to your digging, Lynne, unearth those ancestors!!

Lynne
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Re gardener / ag lab --

I have two Devon christenings, 1819 and 1822, with the same parents. In 1819 the father is gardener, in 1822 he is ag lab.

It may be that the person was actually a gardener, and whoever was doing the recording (remember the person himself would have been illiterate) generalized it to ag lab in some instances. A gardener may have been a wee step up, someone with less seasonal / more secure employment for a particular employer, say?

Hi Lindsey

"My" Phebe was only a Coppock by marriage - this could be a relation of some sort, maybe niece to John or something.

Just had a quick look in the 1841 census - you wouldn't believe how many people have the surname Coppock in Lancashire and Cheshire!!

Also looks like a lot of them were Quaker families (I googled) and emigrated to America. As mine were married in St Mary's Parish Church, Manchester, I doubt if they were Quakers.

Need to buy a bigger spade - for all my digging!

Lynne
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a propos of nothing found this\.
England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about Phebe Coppock
Name: Phebe Coppock
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 31 May 1801
Christening Place: Capesthorne, Cheshire, England
Mother's Name: Sarah Coppock

Hi Dee

Just looked for the John/Charlotte parentage - there is one, but it's in Mollington, which is near Chester. As far as I can remember (long time since I lived oop north) Dukinfield is more over towards the west of Manchester.

On the censuses, Mary definitely says Dukinfield - so I reckon the John and Phoebe marriage is probably the best bet.

Incidentally, love the spelling of PHEBE - I also have another on a different branch - PHEOBE. And I think you are right about the Ag Lab - maybe he'd been cutting flowers for the wedding that morning, so she made him a gardener (LOL)!!

Lynne
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Well done Lynne,

How about this for their marriage???

JOHN COOPOCK Pedigree
Male Family


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: PHEBE ROLLINSON Family
Marriage: 14 JUL 1814 Bowdon, Cheshire, England




Dee xx

Thanks Dee - Postings crossed!! I'll see if I can find a birth for Mary Coppack with John and Charlotte as parents - but it would have to be in Dukinfield!!

Lynne
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Think I've now found Mary's birth as well:



MARY COPPOCK
Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
23 MAR 1822 Providence Independent, Dukinfield, Cheshire, England
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOHN COPPOCK
Family
Mother: PHOEBE

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record.

Only one I can find in Dukinfield. Any one find anything else, please let me know!

Lynne

Hi Lynne,

Any good???

1841 England Census
about Mary Coppack
Name: Mary Coppack
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Backford
Hundred: Wirrall (Higher Division)
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub registration district: Cathedral Division
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Coppack 44
Charlotte Coppack 44
Ann Coppack 22
Mary Coppack 20
Thomas Coppack 18
Martha Coppack 14
Charlotte Coppack 11
John Coppack 9
George Coppack 5
Emma Coppack 2
Ann Shallcroft 83


John is an Ag Lab though.............. maybe Gardener was a posh term she used?????


Dee xx

UPDATE:

Just got the marriage cert for John Ector and Mary, and also birth cert for one of their childen - Sarah Ector.

The marriage cert:

15 October 1844 St Mary's Church Manchester

John Ector full age Joiner Father James Ector Butcher
Mary Coppoth full age Father John Coppoth Gardener

BUT

on the birth cert:

17/2/1847 Salford

Sarah Father: John HECTOR Mother: Mary Hector formerly COPPOCK

So now I'm looking for her in the 1841 -sorry EvieBeavie, doesn't look like the one you found for me is the right one - wrong father's name. I'll carry on looking!

Thanks for all the help, ladies.

Lynne
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