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Re this marriage lancashireann posted:


Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
>>>Bishop Levinia Lambeth 1d 817
Blakesley Alice Lambeth 1d 817 S
Conley John Lambeth 1d 817 S
>>>Warnham William Edward Lambeth 1d 817


I was just browsing Warnhams in 1901 and saw William in Camberwell:

William Warnham 35
Alice Warnham 28
Alice Warnham 7
Ellen Warnham 5
Emma Warnham 2

So the marriage is actually

Marriages Dec 1893
Blakesley Alice Lambeth 1d 817 S
Warnham William Edward Lambeth 1d 817

;)


I was curious about these in St Saviour Southwark:

Hannah Brown 62 - mother of Caroline
Thomas Warnham 31 - general labourer, husband of Caroline
Caroline Warnham 24 - jam factory hand, daughter of Hannah
Charles Warnham 1
Thomas Warnham 3/12
George Barton 6 - grandson of Hannah

(My grandfather started working in the jam factory here in Ontario when he was 13. ;) )

Can't find a marriage for Caroline and Thomas, can't identify the Browns in 81 or 91. Wondered whether George Barton was a child of Caroline's from before Thomas Warnham, and whether she might have had another child either with him or who used his name ...

Another of those wild geese!

edit 13 Oct -- I looked back at the Brown-Warnham household in 1901, and someone has since corrected the surname to Wornham:

Marriages Jun 1899
Barlow Caroline Sarah St. Saviour 1d 176
Wornham Thomas St. Saviour 1d 176

(Barlow not Brown -- and grandson George Barton is actually Barlow on the image -- but whatever; no Constance birth to fit either)

I'm just toying with the idea that she might be a daughter of Walter's sister, (Louisa, Eliza, Esther). Maybe they were unmarried

Births Jun 1893
BRIDGLAND Constance May Lambeth 1d 486

Births Jun 1897
Bridgman Constance May Islington 1b 230

Looking for a Warnham/Bridgeland marriage but no luck yet.

Not what you asked for but thought if might add to the tree,

Are any of these her children?

Births Dec 1913 Cato Violet C Warnham St. Giles 1b 982
Births Jun 1915 Cato Walter S Warnham Pancras 1b 7
Births Dec 1916 Cato Gladys M Warnham Pancras 1b 78
Births Dec 1918 Cato Doris E Warnham Pancras 1b 54
Births Jun 1920 Cato George W Warnham Pancras 1b 117
Births Mar 1927 Cato Elsie M Warnham Lewisham 1d 1467
Births Sep 1930 Cato James F Warnham Lewisham 1d 1377

Also what was her age on marriage?

Hello Johnny,

Who are the witnesses on Constance's marriage certificate? Could they be relatives?

still looking.

YES SELENA,
I HAVE THEIR MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE.HER FATHER IS THOMAS MASON.SHE IS 18 YEARS OLD
BOTH PARTNERS ARE LISTED AS LIVING 23 OSSULATION ST OR
23 ASSULATION ST.HER FATHER LISTED AS A PORTER.
JOHN

Maybe she was Annie Mason's neice? Have you tracked Annie's family back? Do you know who Annie's father was?

Thanks everyone for all your idea's It gives me something else to look at.
John,

Thanks Choccy,
I checked the 1911 census she was still living there only with the bridgman's still listed as neice,
Thanks for the idea.
john

another theory

Births Mar 1892 (>99%)
Bishop Constance May Hendon 3a 150

Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
Bishop Constance May W. Ham 4a 14

Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%)
>>>Bishop Levinia Lambeth 1d 817
Blakesley Alice Lambeth 1d 817 S
Conley John Lambeth 1d 817 S
>>>Warnham William Edward Lambeth 1d 817

doesn't really fit any info other than as a niece of Walter but.....

Births Jun 1897 (>99%)
Bridgman Constance May Islington 1b 230

i have put in constance warnham without a birth date on free bdm and nothing comes up.

just a thought - if the 1901 census is correct it is likely she was born in 1892 not 1893. How old was she on the marriage certificate - death certificates are often unreliable for dates of birth as they are only as good as the informant thinks.

When searching original pages the names are in alphabetical order so even if unreadable should be in the right position for Warnham.

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Bridgman Walter Pancras 1b 142

Mason Annie Pancras 1b 142

The district Pancras spans the boundaries of the counties of London and Middlesex

there is also this marriage,could walter marry twice


Marriages Dec 1870 (>99%)
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BRIDGMAN Walter Pancras 1b 155
MAY Susanna Pancras 1b 155


maybe susanna is constance's aunty and Constance May is her name father Warnham,just a shot in the dark

What a toughie!!
Worth bearing in mind Choccy's suggestion.
I too have searched 1893 index for likely births and the first and last qtr are very hard to read.

Only maybe's were:
Constance Warren (jan-Mar 1893) Hackney 1b 619
Constance May Warner (Jul- Sept) Tendring 1a 572

Cup of tea before the seach resumes!

FOR REF

Marriages Sep 1912 (>99%)
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CATO Walter S Farnham Pancras 1b 234

Warnham Constance M Cato Pancras 1b 234


The district Pancras is an alternative name for St Pancras and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater London and London;

Looking at the 1901 census again, do you think Constance could have been a niece of the boarder 'Jane Kitcheny' and not the Bridgmans, as she appears under the name of the boarder?

I found this - something to think about maybe -

Births Jun 1893 (>99%)
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Kitchener Constance May Islington 1b 261

STILL LOOKING

Thanks June ,for the great effort you made in helping me in my quest.
What can I say. Thanks,Thanks,Thanks,Thanks,Thanks.
John.

Thanks for looking Netty.
John.