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Hello Gerri,
I am here...Thank you for your message I wasn't on genes much yesterday as I had a lot of work to do and went shopping and waiting for a phone call from Oz as my d'i'l there went into hospital to have a hysterectomy.

I have had a look at gen forum and found a few people of the Pavey family and have sent messages,but not heard anything yet.

I have also looked at National Archives and found Simon Pavey of Yarcombe as soldier/servant 13th Jan 1835,so this would suggest that he was sent to the East Indies by the military and not to do with the East India Co.(If this is the one,which seems likely).These records are in the Devon Record Office.Unfortunately I can't get there,but my friend might be inspired to go to Devon on holiday.She is in Spain at the moment and doesn't know what has been found.What a nice surprise when she comes back!

Thank you for your interest and help.

brenda x

Well done Sylvia!
I knew youd come up trumps and find the easy bits after i did all the hard ones LOLOL

Gerri x

There are some Public and Private Member Trees on ancestry.com that have Simon Pavey in them.



sylvia

Brenda,

I have no idea

I looked on familysearch, and there is no record of either Simon or Elizabeth.

I would assume he was either with the East India Company or the British Army ..... the 1851 census did say he was a "Pensioner".


sylvia

Lots of information,Gerri and Sylvia,am just going through it.
I wonder if I could give you another challenge?
The Simon Pavey born c 1797 obviously went to the East Indies where he met Elizabeth Sippins,and it looks as if the 3 children before Hannah were born there.....now my friend thinks that the story came through her family that there was a coloured woman somewhere in the family,but she mentioned the West Indies,and was hoping to find something in the Carribean as she has a lot of friends there...but it is obviously East Indies.
I think we had a military presence there in the early 1800's,also could it be to do with the East India Company.
If you look in could you give me some thoughts on this.
Thank you for everything.

Brenda x

You girls are doing a great job for me.Thank you Gerri and Sylvia.
I got up this morning all excited to see if there was anything else on here and had a nice surprise.
It's just as good as it was when I started my history in 2005.
Must say I have helped a few to get started myself and get a kick out of it.
Keep up the good work ladies and ...thank you very much.

Brenda x x

Good enough Gerri :))))



sylvia
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You can go to familysearch and trace Roger Cleal and his children, and see if you can get any further back. It's all free .... but most of the records do seem to be submitted, which means thye have to be treated with caution.



sylvia

Reuben in 1841

1841 Census

Name: Reuben Cleall
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorset, England

Civil Parish: South Perrot
Hundred: Bridport Division Beaminster Forum and Redhone
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Netherbury

Reuben Cleall 65 Ag Lab
Elizabeth Cleall 65 b.ca 1776, Dorset
Sarah Cleall 75 b.ca 1766, not born in Dorset, Independent

Unfortunately, the 1841 doesn't give the relationships, so is Sarah Reuben's sister??? She seems to be living in a separate part of the house.



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submitted record again from familysearch



Reuben Cleal Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth: 14 MAY 1775 Loders, Dorset, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Roger Cleal Family
Mother: Grace Sargeant

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Marriages:
Spouse: Elizabeth Warren Family
Marriage: 29 FEB 1804 Loders, Dorset, England

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.

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children of Reuben and Elizabeth ..... all submitted records

1. David Cleal - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 1811 Loders, Dorset, England

2. James Cleal - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 1815 Loders, Dorset, England

3. George Cleal - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1818 Loders, Dorset, England

4. Grace Cleal - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 SEP 1804 Loders, Dorset, England

5. Grace Cleal - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 30 SEP 1804 Loders, Dorset, England

6. George Cleal - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1813 , Dorset, England


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Roger Cleal Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth: 08 OCT 1721 South Perrott, Dorset, England

Marriages:
Spouse: Grace Sargeant Family
Marriage: 23 OCT 1773 Loders, Dorset, England

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.


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It looks as if Roger was married twice:-



Roger Cleal Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 08 OCT 1721 South Perrott, Dorset, England

Parents:
Father: William Cleal Family

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Marriages:
Spouse: Mary Thomas Family
Marriage:

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


There IS an extracted record for this marriage!!!


ROGER CLEAL Pedigree
Male Family

Marriages:
Spouse: MARY THOMAS Family
Marriage: 16 SEP 1747 South Perrott, Dorset, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.




sylvia

There is this record of marriage on ancestry.com


Pallot's Marriage Index for England: 1780 - 1837

Name: Elizth Warren
Spouse: Reuben Cleal
Marriage Date: 1804
Parish: Loders


They do have the actual image from the record ..... jsut gives the names, the place and the year.


This is the couple that the submitted record posted above said were David Cleal's parents.



sylvia

For soem reason David and Mary are living separately in 1841. Possibly becasue of a job??


1841 Census

Name: Mary Cleal
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Dorset, England

Civil Parish: Mosterton
Hundred: Bridport Division Beaminster Forum and Redhone
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Misterton <<<<??? should be MOsterton

Mary Cleal 25
Susan Cleal 4
Sarah Cleal 2
George Cleal 1 Mo

and

Name: David Cleall
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Dorset, England

Civil Parish: South Perrot
Hundred: Bridport Division Beaminster Forum and Redhone
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Netherbury

David Cleall 30 Ag Lab



sylvia

from ancestry.com


father David Cleale or Cleall and Mary (or Mary E)

England & Wales Christening Record 1530 - 1906

Susan Cleal 6 Aug 1837 Mosterton, Dorset, England

John Cleale 3 Apr 1836 Mosterton, Dorset, England

Sarah Ann Cleale 19 May 1839 Mosterton, Dorset, England

George Cleale 20 Jun 1841 Mosterton, Dorset, England

James Cleale 14 Jan 1843 Mosterton, Dorset, England

Emily Ann Cleall 23 Mar 1845 South Perrott, Dorset, England

Windham Cleall 23 May 1847 South Perrott, Dorset, England

Simon Cleall 17 Jan 1852 South Perrott, Dorset, England

Elizabeth Cleall 29 Apr 1855 South Perrott, Dorset, England



I wonder why Eli wasn't christened??????



sylvia

From ancestry.com

England and Wales Marriages: 1538 - 1940

Name: David Cleal
Gender: Male
Spouse's name: Marie Eveleish
Marriage Date: 20 Nov 1834
Marriage Place: Mosterton, Dorset, England


Source Citation: Place: Mosterton, Dorset, England; Date Range: 1833 - 1847; Film Number: 1239214.

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2008. Original data: Genealogical Society of Utah. British Isles Vital Records Index, 2nd Edition. Salt Lake City, Utah: Intellectual Reserve, copyright 2002. Used by permission.

Description:
This database contains information extracted from marriage records from selected various counties in England and Wales. The records date from 1538 to 1940. The records included in this database do not represent all localities in England and Wales and for any given area, coverage (both records within a year and total year range) may not be complete. Some parishes and counties are more complete than others. Learn more...




This may be the same record as posted above, or it may be another one ... both ancestry and familysearch are based in Utah, and I do not know the connection of ancestry with the Mormons.



sylvia

Unfortunately this entry for Susan's birth and christening on the I G I on www.familysearch.org is a SUBMITTED record, and therefore not to be trusted


But it might give a starting point!


Susan Cleal Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 06 AUG 1837 Mosterton, Dorset, England

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: David Cleal Family
Mother: Mary Eveleigh

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.


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and this is also a SUBMITTED record and suspect

David Cleal Pedigree
Male Family

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 1811 Loders, Dorset, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Cleal Family
Mother: Elizabeth Warren

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Marriages:
Spouse: Mary Eveleigh Family
Marriage: 20 NOV 1834 Mosterton, Dorset, England

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Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

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Source Information:
No source information is available.




sylvia

Eli with his parents in 1861

1861 Census

Name: Eli Cleall
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: South Perrott, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: South Perrott
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Misterton

David Cleall 50 b.ca 1811, Snoden, Dorset, Ag Lab
Mary Cleall 49 b.ca 1812, Mosterton, Dorset
Susan Cleall 24 b.ca 1837, South Perrott, Servant
Sarah Ann Cleall 21 Glover
George Cleall 19 Carter
Wyndham Cleall 14 Ag Lab
Eli Cleall 11 Ag Lab
Simon Cleall 9 Scholar
Elezabeth Cleall 6 Scholar

Address:- Tumber Lande (???spellings) House

All children born South Perrott

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and in 1851

1851 Census

Name: Eli Cleall
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: St Perrott, Dorset, England

Civil Parish: South Perrott
County/Island: Dorset
Country: England

Registration district: Beaminster
Sub-registration district: Evershot

David Cleall 40 b.ca 1811, Loder, Dorset, Ag Lab
Mary Cleall 39 b.ca 1812, Mosterton, Devon
Susan Cleall 13 At Home
Sarah Ann Cleall 11
George Cleall 9
James Cleall 8
Wyndham Cleall 4
Eli Cleall 1

Address:- Village


children all born South Perrott



sylvia

and here is Eli in 1871 ....... a servant on the next farm to Hannah!

1871 Census

Name: Eli Bleal <<<<<< could be Gleal, Bleal or Cleal!
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: South Perrott, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Stockland
Town: Ridge
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Axminster
Sub-registration district: Chardstock

John S Stoodley 33 farmer of 60 acres
Martha Stoodley 34
Fanny J Stoodley 2
Susan Bleal 33 b.ca 1838, South Perrott, Dorset, Unmarried, General Servant
Eli Bleal 21 Unmarried, Farm Servant

Address:- Gordon (??? sp) Ridge Farm

Hannah is living at Higher Bridge Farm


He says Dorset on here, which may be why Eli Cleall born in Somerset has been hard to find!!


I found him by entering Devon, Stockland, male, b. 1850 +/- 10 .... then searching the 170+ names that came up.



sylvia

Hannah in 1861

1861 Census

Name: Hannah Pavey
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Yarcombe, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Yarcombe
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Combe St Nicholas

Elizabeth Pavey 43 b.ca 1818, East Indies, Widow, Laundress
Luisa Pavey 16 b.ca 1845, Yarcombe
Hannah Pavey 13
Sarah Pavey 9 b.ca 1852, Yarcombe


and in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Hannah Pavey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Yarcombe, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Stockland
Town: Ridge
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Axminster
Sub-registration district: Chardstock

William Pomeroy 46 Farmer of 190 acres
Mary Jane Pomeroy 43
Joanna Pomeroy 10
Nicholas Pomeroy 12
Alvan W Pomeroy 8
John Pomeroy 7
Walter Pomeroy 5
Hannah Pavey 25 General Servant
Elizabeth Rill 11 Servant



sylvia

Could this be Eli and Hannah' marriage registration?

Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)

CLEAL Eli Axminster 5b 24
Pavey Hannah Axminster 5b 24





In which case, this is probably Hannah with her parents in 1851

1851 Census

Name: Hannah Pavey
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Simon
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Yarcombe, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Yarcombe
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Chard
Sub-registration district: Ilminster

Simon Pavey 54 b.ca 1797, Yarcombe, Pensioner
Elizabeth Pavey 36 <<<<< see below
Simon Pavey 12 b.ca 1839, East India
William Pavey 9 b.ca 1842, East India
Louisa Pavey 6 b.ca 1845, East India
Hannah Pavey 3


Name: Elizabeth Pavey
[Elizabeth Sippins]
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Simon
Gender: Female
Where born: East India

Civil Parish: Yarcombe
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


sylvia

Sorry Brenda but i have run outta steam....and ideas for tonight.
Tomorrows another day.

Nighty night

Gerri x

Struggling with finding Eli Cleall born c1850...ish Somerset.

Anyone else want to join in?

Gerri x

PS....

Whats Eli short for?...Eliger?...correct spelling?

Update...found correct spelling 'Elijah' but it doesnt help!