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I don't know where you find all this information so quickly, I definately think you have put me on the right track, i have been picking my mums brains but she doesn't remember much, other than she said her dad william fell out with his mum margaret, and didn't like the fact he was illegitimate, she also remembers a man they used to call uncle Bill and i think that will be the chap you have just found. WilliamPickup.

Possible for Susannah's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1913
Longworth Susannah Blackburn 8e 832
Ronson Thomas Blackburn 8e 832



Possible for Ethel's marriage:

Marriages Sep 1912
Longworth Ethel Blackburn 8e 877
Pritt William Blackburn 8e 877

daughter Mary Ellen' marriage;

Marriages Mar 1907
Longworth Mary Ellen Blackburn 8e 625
Pickup William Blackburn 8e 625



1911 Census Household Transcript

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
PICKUP, WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 27 IRON AND TIN PLATE WORKER LANCS BLACKBURN LANCASHIRE
PICKUP, MARY ELLEN WIFE MARRIED 4 F 23 WEAVER COTTON LANCS BLACKBURN
PICKUP, EVA DAUGHTER F 3 LANCS BLACKBURN


PICKUP MARY ELLEN (RG14PN25064 RG78PN1436 RD474 SD5 ED4 SN11)
Address 142 ADDISON STREET BLACKBURN County Lancashire
District Blackburn Subdistrict Blackburn South Western
Enumeration District 4 Parish Blackburn


grandaughter of Margaret Bell/Boardman/Longworh
daughter of Mary Ellen:

Births Dec 1907
PICKUP Eva Blackburn 8e 330

an after thought?
Births Sep 1931
Pickup Harry mmn Longworth Blackburn 8e 438

I know that my Grandad William was using the William Longworth Bell in the army in ww1. I managed to find his records he had lost a leg.

Oh my goodness, i can't believe Margaret has changed her name again, this is more confusing than ever......... i have just joined ancestry to see if i can find anything,i am hooked i think lol, trouble is none of my relations have made it straight forward.

Daughters marriage:

Marriages Mar 1905
LONGWORTH Sarah Jane Blackburn 8e 520
Robinson Frederick Blackburn 8e 520

Grandson

Births Dec 1905
ROBINSON Harry Blackburn 8e 316

Here is the 1911 census and yet another name change - back to Longworth


1911 Census Household Transcript

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
LONGWORTH, MARGAET ANN HEAD MARRIED 30 F 50 LANC WIGAN
LONGWORTH, SUSANNAH DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 WEAVER LANC BLACKBURN
ROBINSON, FREDERICK SON IN LAW MARRIED M 26 SPINNER LANC BLACKBURN
ROBINSON, SARAH JANE DAUGHTER MARRIED 6 F 26 WEAVER LANC BLACKBURN
ROBINSON, HARRY GRAND SON M 5 LANC BLACKBURN


RG14PN25063 RG78PN1436 RD474 SD5 ED3 SN109)
Address 145 ADDISON ST BLACKBURN County Lancashire
District Blackburn Subdistrict Blackburn South Western
Enumeration District 3 Parish Blackburn

It says on this census that Mary Ann was married 30 years......the marriage of Margaret Ann Bell to James Boardman was 30 years before 1911!

Thankyou Brenda,
I have to go to bed also, I have a gut feeling about your findings, I think you were right about Bell being her maiden name. I have found an Elizabeth Boardman living with relatives and she is listed as niece, this could be Boardman Child. But like you say i won't be hasty, Many Many Thanks, Have lovely Dreams
Helen

Bannister/Banister on 1841 census:-

RG number: HO107 Piece: 502 Book/Folio: 6/41 Page: 28

Reg. District: Blackburn Sub District: Blackburn
Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Blackburn City/Municipal Borough: Blackburn
Address: Lark Hill, Blackburn
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
LONGWORTH, Elizabeth F 35 1806 Lancashire
LONGWORTH, Betty F 12 1829 Lancashire
LONGWORTH, William M 6 1835 Lancashire
FOWLER, James M 10 1831 Ireland
LONGWORTH, Banister M 4 1837 Lancashire

Please dont be too hasty Helen .......you dont know for sure that we are on the right track yet! I would hate for you to find out that you were right in the first place and have to re do it all over again.

I have to go to bed now as I will never get up in the morning. I'll look in tomorrow.

nite,

Brenda

Thankyou, Yes i see what you mean about Boardman Child, the dates don't seem to match.. You are a star, thanks again for being so helpful, i am just deleting the relatives that are not mine from my tree. You are so clever at this.
Bright Blessings
Helen

Just in case they may be useful........believe that they are Margaret Ann Bell's family.:


1871 England Census
about Margaret Bell
Name: Margaret Bell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Rachael
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wigan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 26 Chapel Lane
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 208
Household Members:
Name Age
Rachael Bell 52
Sarah Bell 23 tailoress
George Bell 22 Hairdresser
Martha Bell 20 tailoress
Mary Bell 19 cotton Weaver
Henry Bell 16 Hairdresser
Thomas Bell 14 Hairdresser
Margaret Bell 12 scholar
Elizabeth J Bell 8 scholar
Baker Moss 21 boarder, hairdresser
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3886; Folio: 112; Page: 34; GSU roll: 842037.




1861 England Census
about Margaret Ann Bell
Name: Margaret Ann Bell
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Rachel
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Wigan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 37 Wallgate
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members:
Name Age
William Bell 46 Hairdresser & Perfumer . born Scotland
Rachel Bell 42 wife
Sarah Bell 14 Factory operative
George Bell 12
Martha Bell 10
Mary Bell 8
Henry Bell 6
Thomas Bell 4
Margaret Ann Bell 1
Mary Hoyledon 48 should read Haselden ( Rachel's sister)
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2777; Folio: 100; Page: 40; GSU roll: 543027.



1851 England Census
about Rachel Bell
Name: Rachel Bell
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Ashton Under Lyne
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Winter Street

Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Ashton Under Lyne
Sub-registration district: Hartshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 1p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Hassedale 35 Head,Power lLoom Weaver (s/b Haselden - sister of Rachel)
Sarah Greenhalch 23 Lodger
Rachel Bell 32 lodger, married, Powere Loom Weaver
Sarah Bell 3
George Bell 2
Martha Bell 6 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2238; Folio: 437; Page: 39; GSU roll: 87250.



1841 England Census
about Rachael Haselden
Name: Rachael Haselden
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Hallgate

Occupation:

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Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Wigan
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Rachael Haselden 20 Straw Weaver
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 523; Book: 14; Civil Parish: Wigan; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 28; Folio: 36; Page: 23; Line: 16; GSU roll: 306909.


others on page
Match quality: 1 out of 5 Mary Haselden abt 1816 Lancashire, England Wigan, Lancashire
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Match quality: 1 out of 5 John Haselden abt 1826 Lancashire, England Wigan, Lancashire





Marriages Dec 1846
Haselden Rachel Wigan 21 648
Bell William Wigan 21 648



England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Rachel Bell
Name: Rachel Bell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 59
District: Wigan
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 14

Moody Blue you are brilliant at this, It certainly makes sense that the child would go to Grandparents, So Robert must be Margaret Boardman nee Bell's Dad.

Maybe the daughter from the Boardman marriage?


1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Boardman
Name: Elizabeth Boardman
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Haydock, Lincolnshire, England (s/b Lancashire)

Civil Parish: Newton in Makerfield
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Earlestown
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Warrington
Sub-registration district: Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Bell 77
Margaret Bell 49 (Boardman on original census)
Elizabeth Boardman 10
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3069; Folio 17; Page 28; GSU roll: 6098179.


I thought that I had deleted this one - I did try to - as I am not so sure about it being the correct family. Margarets age is not right nor the place of birth

Oh my Goodness, I think you are right, I have just re read what you sent and yes it could be, i will have to redo my tree, i have gone off in completely the wrong direction, lol, i have added someone elses relatives to my tree, oh dear.
This is very confusing.
So poor James died when he was 30 and poor Margaret would have been a young widow, that is so sad, perhaps another family took on her child.?
Thanks so very very much

Sorry Moody Blue just replied but i don't know where it went. I never thought of Bell being her maiden name, it could be, but i wonder what happened to Boardman and the child, I do know that the L stands for Longworth and is the middle name of the children in the 1891 census, the plot thickens, its getting even more exciting Thanks again.

Could Bell have been her maiden name?

Births Jun 1860 BELL Margaret Ann Wigan 8c 22


1901 England Census
about Margaret A Bell
Name: Margaret A Bell
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Blackburn
Ecclesiastical parish: Blackburn St Barnabas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Blackburn
Sub-registration district: Blackburn, Northern
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 253
Household Members:
Name Age
Margaret A Bell 42
William L Bell 17
Sarah L Bell 15
Mary E L Bell 13
Ethel L Bell 10
Susannah L Bell 7
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3909; Folio: 140; Page: 47



Marriages Mar 1880
Bell Margaret Ann Chorley 8e 590
BOARDMAN James Chorley 8e 590

1881 England Census
about Margaret A. Boardman
Name: Margaret A. Boardman
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Little Bolton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 6 William St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bolton
Sub-registration district: Little Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Boardman 26
Margaret A. Boardman 21
Elizabeth Boardman
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3833; Folio: 113; Page: 16; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341916.

Possible death?
Deaths Sep 1882
Boardman James age30 Bolton 8c 175


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From: Chorley, Lancashire
To: Wigan, Greater Manchester
Distance: 8.9 miles

From: Chorley, Lancashire
To: Blackrod, Bolton
Distance: 5.0 mile

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15 AUG 1875 Saint Mary, Blackburn, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: BANNISTER LONGWORTH Family
Mother: SARAH

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Thankyou to you too Moody Blue, How do you do this so quickly, I am very grateful like i said to ann i have been going round and round in circles, this is so exciting. Many Thanks again
Helen