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Hi Antony
I have just been reading a message about the two brothers marring two sisters.i have Alfred and Charles Manuell in my Family Tree.They Married Sarah and ruth Mardle . Arthur was another brother and my grandfather. your related to the Mardles do you have or want any more info ? Regards John

Thank you again Tania I have not even had time to update from the last information! You are making me feel very lazy! how do you find the time to do all these searchs?

I was going to spend tonight finding the mothers maiden name so my wife will probably thank you for that!

I will now attempt to update everything

Thanks again

tony

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Marriages Jun 1868 (>99%)
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Mardell Edward Hertford 3a 410
Phillips Harriet Hertford 3a 410

Name: Harriet Eliza Mardell
Birth: Dec 1869 - Hertford, Hertfordshire

1871 England Census
about Eliza Mardell
Name: Eliza Mardell
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: Hertford, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Andrew
Town: Hertford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Hertford
Sub-registration district: Hertford
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 254
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Mardell 21
Harriet Mardell 23
Eliza Mardell 1

1881 England Census
about Eliza Mardle
Name: Eliza Mardle
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Harriet
Gender: Female
Where born: Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 11 Hatcham Rd
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub-registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Mardle 35
Harriet Mardle 33
Charles Mardle 10
Eliza Mardle 11
Sarah Mardle

Thanks Tania.

It seems to make sense now I think Eliza/Harriett was either too old or not born on the census which would have shown her at home with the Mardles and so the first time we see her is once she has her family and is a fowler.

I am going to have a more detailed look into this branch of my familt and order some certificates to find mothers maiden names etc..
Thank you again for all your hard work you are a star.

Tony

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Marriages Sep 1888 (>99%)
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Duckman John St Saviour 1d 24
Fowler Edward Benjamin T St. Saviour 1d 24
MARDLE Harriett Eliza St. Saviour 1d 24
TAYLOR Charlotte St. Saviour 1d 24

looks like she changed her name in the census

Thanks Tania

Just need to find the link between Eliza and the rest of the family, I am thinking she is an older sibling than Sarah that I may have missed on earlier searchs. Or is it like the original man I was searching for George and it was Edward who was born out of marriage?

Thanks again

tony

1891 England Census
about Harriett Fowler
Name: Harriett Fowler
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward B
Mother's Name: Eliza H
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich East
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Edward B Fowler 31
Eliza H Fowler 21
Mary A Fowler 61
Alfred L Fowler 19
George E Fowler 4
Harriett Fowler 2
Florence M Fowler 1

Think I may have got to the bottom of this one.

On the 1911 census George is living with his Grand parents, however he is listed as SON.

Sarah is living with Alfred Manuell with their family as well as a visitor (Edward Fowler)
In the 1901 census a Harriet Fowler is at the home of Sarahs Parents listed as Grand Daughter. (possible link)

I think being born before Sarah was married perhaps George always lived with his Grandparents and was adopted or decided to stay with them whilst Sarah continued her life with the Manuells.

George did end up living in West Ham so maybe he moved back to his mother after the death of his grandparents.

Thank you Tania,

I think it may be right I am just going to have a look on the 1911 census to see if I can find them all together.

Thanks again

Tony

the manuells born in lewisham arnt sarahs and alfreds[there is no mention of them in alfreds milatry records]

yes it means the father[alfred charles manuell born portsmouth/hampshire] you can search 1911 on www.findmypast.com

How can I search the 1911 census? I want to have a look for George Mardle and Sarah Mardle especially George to see if they are living together?

thanks
tony

Hi Sablon,

Thanks for your help, I think you may be on to something with what you have found she was showing as age ten on the 1891 census so age 22 in 1901 is pretty close, they also lived in Greenwich.

Only problem is I cannot see George on any of the results do you think he may of been living with his grandparents? hence the 1901 census?

Tony

Thank you very much for all your replies, I really did not expect any that quickly!!

Tania might be a daft question if so please accept my apologies but before the names in your list it states "Manuell" what does this mean? is it the father?

Your list interests me as you have a Abraham Mardle. Sarah had a brother listed in both the 1891 and 1901 census called Abraham whos date of birth seems to have been around 1891.

Thanks again I am genuinely suprised impressed and happy that so many people on here are willing to take the time to look at other peoples history.

Tony

it looks like his parents but born out of wedlock

HOUSEHOLD MARDLE GEORGE EDWARD M 1896 15 res; Malling Kent

1911 census