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Hi janeyCanuck
I really am new to this, this is my father in laws family and i started researching it after he passed away.
I have George Parsons born 1858
Elizabeth Parsons born 1860
Rose Parsons born 1895
Florence Parsons born 1893
Walter Parsons born 1886
William Parsons born 1882
Grace Parsons born 1913.
Debbie

Births Jun 1864
PARSONS George Daverage St Thomas 5b 47

Marriages Sep 1862
Copp John St Thomas 5b 123
> Daverage Jane St Thomas 5b 123
Eveleigh Julia Ann St Thomas 5B 123
> Parsons Henry James St Thomas 5b 123


1861

Name: Jane Daveridge
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England


The 1901 Walter - who of course may be a big red herring - married:

Marriages Dec 1911
Coleman Annie E Leicester 7a 630
Daverage Walter B Leicester 7a 630
Gibson Clara Leicester 7a 630
Kirby William Leicester 7a 630


Births Mar 1887
DAVERAGE Walter Beat St. Thomas 5b 38

Births Sep 1879
Daverage William Thomas Portsea 2b 428


Possibly red herrings all -- but there just isn't a Walter Parsons, for instance, to match anywhere!

I think you may have been led astray. ;) And there may be skeletons! What fun would it be without them??

janeyCanuck
Ifound and spoke to Graces Grandaughter and she has the same as me...maybe your right so hard is.nt it still it wont get boring just frustrating.
Thanks for your help i,ll just keep plodding on and hopefully might get some where.
Thanks again
Debbie

So you just started over cold with the same obviously incorrect info in a new thread on a new board.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1155535


In 1901 Rose Parsons is with a Searle grandmother.
It SAYS Rose is her granddaughter on the census.
This isn't speculation.


So this will pretty certainly be Rose's parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1891
Parsons Charles St. Thomas 5b 93
Searle Ellen Louisa St. Thomas 5b 93


You lit on the Parsons-Gooding marriage for some reason. Why?

And there you are in your other thread saying that Rose's mother was Sarah/Elizabeth (Gooding) -- is there actually some evidence of that?


Rose's grandmother was a Searle. There are a couple of Ellen Louisa Searle births in Devon that could fit. This is probably her in 1891:

Name: Ellen Louisa Searle
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Where born: Dawlish, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham


This is the household in 1881 in Dawlish:

> Mary A. Searle 32
Florence Searle 12
> Ellen Searle 10
Virgenia Searle 7
Elizabeth Bright 64


Don't you think?

Deaths Dec 1896
Parsons Ellen Louisa 25 Newton A. 5b 70

Dawlish is in Newton Abbot reg dist.


I just totally doubt that the George Daverage Parsons who married Elizabeth Gooding in St Thomas dist in 1887 is yours.

I think Ellen Louisa Searle who married Charles Parsons was Rose's mother, and she died shortly after Rose was born.

This would quite likely be Rose, born in the same reg dist as the Parsons-Searle marriage:

Births Dec 1894
Parsons Rose St. Thomas 5b 39

and

Births Dec 1892
Parsons Florence Emily St. Thomas 5b 35

So how about getting a birth certificate????


That Rose would have been 6 at the time of the 1901 census, as in the Searle household in 1901:


Civil parish: East Dawlish
Registration district: Newton Abbot

Mary Searle 51
Florence Searle 31
Frank Searle 17
Florence Parsons 8 - granddaughter, born Exmouth
Rose Parsons 6 - "


that probably being where her mother died.

And -- there still simply was NO Grace Parsons born in Devon 1910-1915. No matter what anyone knows is right.

And there was no Grace Parsons born after 1911 with mother Gooding.

You need Grace's marriage certificate to find out what her surname was, and what her father's name was. Or even what she claimed they were.

1901 Think this is the family MIStranscribed on Ancestry(if some else would like to check as well!)
Name: Walter Karems
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Name: George Karems
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Name: Sarah Karems
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Ottery St Mary, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon



Name: William Karems
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England



Name: Rose Karems
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England
Civil parish: Littleham
Ecclesiastical parish: Littleham St Margaret
Town: Exmouth
County/Island: Devon

1911 searched William born Exmouth 1888+/- 3
MILITARY PARSONS WILLIAM 1888 23 District Weymouth Dorsetshire


cwgc site i wonder??? edit now found this entry on Ancestry and says he was born in South Africa so not yours
Name: PARSONS, WILLIAM
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Devonshire Regiment
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Date of Death: 04/10/1917
Service No: 11358
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 38 to 40.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL

1911 transcribed page
Address 15 CHURCH ST EXMOUTH County Devonshire
District St Thomas Subdistrict Exmouth
Enumeration District 3 Parish Littleham



PARSONS, GEORGE HEAD MARRIED (23 YRS MARRIED)M 48 LABOURER born EXMOUTH DEVON
PARSONS, SARAH WIFE MARRIED F 47 born VENATTERY DEVON
PARSONS, WALTER SON SINGLE M 19 BLACKSMITH born EXMOUTH DEVON
PARSONS, SAM SON M 9 SCHOOL
bornEXMOUTH DEVON
PARSONS, HONARY SON M 5 SCHOOL
born EXMOUTH DEVON ***not sure about transcription for this one haven't found birth index yet
PARSONS, GRACE DAUGHTER F 2
born EXMOUTH DEVON
Grace born earlier than you thought then?

HAVEN'T FOUND THEM IN 1891 YET OR A MARRIAGE(just reread your posts i see Sarah is really Elizabeth and you have a marriage for them?)

Births Jun 1902
PARSONS Samuel Gooding St. Thomas 5b 27


possible marriage but may be a long shot
Samuel G Parsons
Year of Registration: 1921
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's Surname: Hewlett
District: Axbridge
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 1091



?
Births Jun 1909 (>99%)
PARSONS Grace Edith B St Thomas 5b 37

Hello jansmith
Thankyou very much for your time and the information you have got for me. I only have the info on Grace through her grandaughter whom i found on here by chance. I will see if i can get hold of her again and see if she has her birth cert or marriage details and then maybe i can go on from there.
I have just gone back on some of the info i haveand ahve charles and louisa with the searle family, I really need to sort this out
I am getting a bit muddled now.
Thankyou
Debbie

Jan, the George and Sarah 1911 bit has been done over and over. The other thread on a different board - Debra, I guess you deleted it - was full of it. Too bad you deleted, the people there should have had a chance to see this thread. - edit - sorry, you didn't delete! I wasn't paying attention, forgive me.

I think it is very obvious that ROSE and FLORENCE are the children of CHARLES PARSONS and ELLEN LOUISA SEARLE. Only birth certificates and marriage certificate will confirm or deny that.

Whoever Walter and William are, they are not (full, anyway) silbings of Rose and Florence.

Whoever GRACE is, she is not a full sibling of Rose and Florence.

No GRACE PARSONS was born in or even about 1913, in or near Devon.

GEORGE PARSONS and SARAH/ELIZABETH GOODING really do not appear to be the parents of Rose and Florence. Here, I am assuming that sisters Rose and Florence are a true bit of info -- that your Rose did have a sister Florence as you originally described.

If there were a Walter and William Parsons born in the early 1880s, they *could* be the half-brothers of a Grace born c1913 - i.e. have the same father - but it is very very very improbable that they had the same mother as a Grace born c1913, i.e. about 30 years later.

There is a mishmash of information here that simply does not make sense.


Debra -- could you give the info about Grace's death? Her name and date and place of death?

And will you consider ordering the PARSONS + SEARLE marriage certificate and the 1894 ROSE PARSONS birth certificate?


And no, no, please don't delete this thread! Eventually something is going to make sense, and all this info will have to be culled and sorted, and hopefully will make some kind of sense too. ;)

Okay, argh, now I see the point about the "KAREMS" household. I'd assumed it was mistranscribed for KEARNS, but yes, it looks like PARSONS.

And yes, there are a William, Walter and Rose (William and Walter not having the birthdates originally given here, or anything like). But no Florence.

So yes, they are indeed a viable option.

What of Florence? And Grace? It's still unlikely that couple would have had a daughter in 1913. Maybe Grace was born several years earlier, despite the adamance about her birth being 1913.

If we can see the death info for Grace, it may help.

Hello JaneyCanuck
George D Parsons Born 1864 -death 1909 in Mile end (1e281)
Elizabeth Gooding Born 1866 death not known
The parents of George is Henry j Parsons 1842 a seaman and Jane born 1840.These are their children.
Henry j Parsons Born 1862
George Parsons Born 1864-1908
James Parsons Born 1866-?
Charlotte Parsons Born 1868-?
George and Elizabeth got married st. Thomas exmouth 1887
They had Children
Rose Parsons 1895
Walter Born 1892
William born 1888
and Grace 1909
Grace married a Albert Branch 1931 he was born 1914-1985
and grace died 1985 a month apart.
Graces Parents were

Albert was born in London. They both died in Brightling sea Colchester.
I know that Grace is part of this family as we visited them once in 1978
and Albert(known as ted) was the ferryman in Brightlinsea.
Alberts father was William Branch born 1875 I dont know where i havent got that far.
Now i know i got this right
Is this better way of putting it.
Thankyou
Debbie

aaaaaaaaaaargh.

"Walter Born 1892
William born 1888"

Not quite the same as your first post:

"Walter born1886 and William born 1882"

based on which I spent I don't know how long searching ...


Also on page 1 you said:

"I only know that they had a sister Rose Parsons born 1895 and Florence who was 8 at the time and just found another sister."
(that would be Grace)

So the information about Florence -- ? Taken from that census record in 1901 with the Searles, i.e. a census record that probably isn't your Rose, it's just one you happened on?

aaaaaaaargh.


"George D Parsons Born 1864 -death 1909 in Mile end (1e281)"

i.e. George Daverage Parsons, the one I did spend the time trying to figure out.

If he died in 1909, there hasn't been much point in people searching for him in the 1911 census, has there??


"Grace married a Albert Branch 1931 he was born 1914-1985
and grace died 1985 a month apart."

There is no death of a Grace Branch born 1913 in 1985 in the death index 1984-2005.

But there IS this one:

Name: Grace Edith B Branch
>>>>> Birth Date: 17 May 1909 -- NOT 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1985
Age at death (estimated): 75
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2022

and that DOES match up with the 2-yr-old Grace Parsons in the 1911 census.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Births Jun 1909
PARSONS Grace Edith B St Thomas 5b 37


So much wrong information leading to so much work and ultimately nowhere!!!!!

But the information you have *now* given seems to be making sense.


So ........ can you remind us what the question is? ;)

I have to be doing some work but will come back later in the day. Maybe Jan or others will want to review. ;)

Hello janeyCanuck
Thankyou
Are you really sure you still want to help me because i have really wound you up. All i can say is sorry to you and anyone else that has helped me.
I will now read all the information carefully wait for the certs i have sent for and listen to what i am told.
And Janey without sounding sarcastic you have a very high tolerence of people like me and i reckon we will now be good freinds on here.
Thankyou (truly meant)
Debbie

Sometimes the worst winder-uppers end up having the most satisfying outcomes. ;) Trust me, if I were really wound up, you wouldn't be seeing aaaaarghs and !!!!!!!s. Just picture a little cartoon person with steam coming out its ears ...

aaaaaargh. Trying to keep track of all the loose ends takes an army! ;)

And why would "our" George die in Mile End anyhow?

There is no George Parsons death in Mile End in 1909!

There is no George Parsons death with refs 1e 281!


But how about:

Deaths Dec 1924
Parsons George D 60 St.Thomas 5b 31

??


Aargh. This is the death referred to -- how can so many things get reported so wrong?

Deaths Dec *1908*
Parsons George 46 Mile End *1c* 281

Absolutely no reason to connect this with "our" George.