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My Gt grandfather, John McFadyen was born in Scotland c1872. In 1891 he married Eliza Freeth (b c1873) who was born in Bilston, Staffordshire, England. The marriage took place in Tynemouth and they settled in Wallsend and by 1901 they have 5 children: Margaret, Eliza (my Nan), William, John and Sarah Ann.

I am trying to find out who John's parents were but have no idea what area of Scotland he hails from. I subscribe to Ancestry.co.uk and am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction to find out who his ancestors are.

Get the marriage certificate..it will have his father's name on it.

Suzanne

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
>>>>>>>Freeth Eliza Tynemouth 10b 374
Freith Eliza Tynemouth 10b 374
Fulham John Godfrey Tynemouth 10b 374
>>>>>>>>McFadyen John Tynemouth 10b 374
Moncrieff Jane Barnes Tynemouth 10b 374

Suzanne

1901

John McFadyen
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Household schedule number: 145

John McFadyen 28
Eliza McFadyen 27
Margaret McFadyen 8
Eliza McFadyen 6
William McFadyen 4
John McFadyen 2
Sarah McFadyen 6 Mo
Eliza Small 75......grandmother...born Ireland
Samuel Freeth 13....brother in law

Suzanne

1891

John McFadyen
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England


Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a

Eliza Small 64
Hugh Mc Kenzie 33..boarder
William Crowthers 27....boarder
Harry Oneil 47...boarder
John McFadyen 19...boarder

Suzanne

Thanks Suzi

I was trying to see if I could find out without getting certificates as I've spent plenty of dosh on certificates already but looks like I'll have to if I want to make sure the info is accurate.

I do already have the details and the censuses you've put on here - that's where I got my info from.

Do you have any idea how I'll go about tracing Scottish ancestors though? - the marriage certificate is only going to give me his father's name and occupation so I'm still wondering how I'll work further back from there.

Two doors away is another John McFadyen age 49 born Scotland with wife Margaret born Ireland..children George 16 b Scotland, Alexander 12 and Elizabeth 10 both born Northumberland.

This could be his family...you need to find a marriage probably in Scotland between 1861 and 1891 for father John to mother Margaret..hoping that her name is Small.

Scotlandspeople is the site...and you can see the certificate with names etc. If it seems the right one then you need John junior's birth cert to confirm the parent's names.

Suzanne

Thanks Suzi

I'd noticed the other McFadyens and wondered if they were his parents but didn't just want to assume it and start following the wrong bloodline but wasn't sure how to go about finding out if they're definitely related.

I've just off the GRO site so hopefully it won't be too long before I have the marriage certificate. I'll take a look at Scotlandspeople - I did look a few weeks ago and managed to spend my credits but couldn't get anything displayed so will wait for techno hubby to come home in case I'm doing anything wrong.

Thanks again for your help - it's much appreciated.

Also someone on Records is offering Scottish records look ups.

Suzanne

Tootsie....
John McFadyen 's parents were John McFayden born Scotland 1841..Mother Margaret b.Ireland 1846...check 1881 Census for Longbenton...they lived at Fisher St with John George and Alex...incidentally Fisher St should be Walker (as per Alex's place of birth)..not Longbenton.....
Christine

Tootsie..For ref: 1881 Wallsend
Eliz Frieth was born Roryhall Staffs..she was staying with g.mother Eliz. Small b. Ireland (? mother of Mgt.McFayden ) her parents were living next door ..26/27 Birkett St.Wallsend

It may be worth your while looking at Paisley, Johnstone area in Scotlands people as McFadyen is a popular name around here

Regards
Janet

tootsie i am going to edinburgh records centre if you need any help suzi tried to nudge you but you didnt see

paula

Gosh thanks so much to everyone for your help.

Erin - where did you manage to get the information from? Maybe I should subscribe to that site as I assume I am going to need to chase Scottish records to get further back too.

I do have the name Eliza Small but was wondering how to go about chasing the Irish connection hence the reason why I recently signed up to ancestry.co.uk.

Thanks for the offer of help Paula - I'm not sure where I am with this side of the family yet so wouldn't know what help to ask for but I really appreciate the offer.

births on Sp 1872-1873 unfortunately there is quite a lot
No Year Surname Forename Sex District City/County/MR GROS Data Image Extract
1 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN M LOGIE /PERTH 374/00 0033 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN M TYREE /ARGYLL 551/01 0025 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN M GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 0761 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN M ST GILES EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/04 0304 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
5 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN M PAISLEY BURGH PARISHES /RENFREW 573/00 0050 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
6 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN M COLL /ARGYLL 551/02 0007 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
7 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M GOUROCK /RENFREW 567/02 0006 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
8 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M DALMELLINGTON /AYR 586/00 0211 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
9 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M CAMBUSNETHAN /LANARK 628/00 0106 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
10 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M CLYDE GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/05 0780 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
11 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M CLYDE GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/05 0066 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
12 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M BO'NESS /WEST LOTHIAN 663/00 0186 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
13 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M / 646/1X 0233 No Image ORDER
14 1873 MCFADYEN JOHN M CAMBUSNETHAN /LANARK 628/00 0589 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
15 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN DUNCAN M HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 1142 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
16 1873 MCFADYEN ROBERT JOHN M GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 0732 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

The John McFadyen who is third on the list
3 1872 MCFADYEN JOHN M GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 0761 VIEW (PAID) ORDER

The names of theparents match (John and Margaret) but they were married in Belfast 15 Jan 1866 I cannot make out her maiden name sorry. Dob 18 June

Jackie

From the list I gave you for the births rule out numbers
4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,14

fathers name not a match have ran out of credits so unable to check the rest sorry

Tootsie. I found the McFadyen,s on the 1881 Census for Wallsend which you can access the Census on www.familysearch. org.

Eliz.Small was a widow at the time but had a brother-in-law John Small b.Ire. living down Kelly St.as a lodger.
Dont know how familiar you are with Wallsend but there was a large Scottish Irish Community living there.
The Reg.District for Wallsend is Tynemouth and for Walker it is Ncle.
The RC Church serving the community at the time was St.Aidens (Willington Quay) and later St.Columba's Wallsend. Walker was served by St Anthony's.Records for all are deposited at Ncle Archive's Blanford St.except for the Baptismal Records for St.Columbas which are still held at the Church.

Tootsie....
Parents of Eliz.Freeth were Richard and Margaret Small ...have crossed ref.with Births Regs of the following
Maria born 20 April 1878
Sarah Ann born 15 dec 1880.
Baptised Willington Quay.

Hiya everyone,

Oh I love you lot - you've been absolutely brilliant and I can't thank you enough for your help.

I don't know Wallsend very well - just had holidays there with my grandparents every year in the summer hols. I'm planning on going there for a visit this year though when I've collated lots of info and can see if the addresses people lived in still exist. Just want to get a feel for the place. I may do some graveyard visits too - how ghoulish. LOL

If there's anything I can ever do for any of you (I'm a bit of a novice but I'm getting there) please let me know.