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Nothing on FMP............I would have posted it if there had been

Have you looked anywhere?

Thank you for all your help ,regards Karen

I have googled,family search,free bdm, but most things are after 1837

That's because the Register Office in England/Wales didn't exist before mid 1837 :-D
Even then, it wasn't compulsary to register a birth until 50 odd years later.

For events prior to then, we are reliant on church/religious (parish) records. Not all PR are available on line. Some may even have been lost, damage beyond repair or the writing is so poor that the person transcribing it has had to make an educated guess at the original. Their instructions are to Type What You See.

https://familysearch.org/ DO hold transcribed parish records as does http://www.freereg.org.uk/

Like Jacqueline, I've had a look for a possible marriage - it might be that they didn't make it official, or as suggested, the records aren't on-line.

Thanks for the information

As this search is not for your own relatives, can you say why your friend has ruled out the possible burial in KENT for Charlotte?

Not saying it IS her, but I'd be interested to know why your friend is confident that it isn't

The burial in Kent for Caroline?
I googled searched and found the following
"Will of Joseph Foster Barham of Queen Ann St Middlesex, left cash to wife Lady Caroline Barham ,sons Wiliam and Charles and daughters Mary and Caroline
proved 15/10/1832

I dont think that is the Caroline that married Samuel
regards Karen

Interesting-i found a birth for Caroline Howard 1775 St Nicholas Rochester, Kent the same c hurch that Eliza Barham (parents Caroline and Samuel Barham) married Edward Green,1831-?no proof but it could be Eliza's mum

Another question-can you order a marriage certificate from 1831? Eliza's and Edward Green

No.

Certificates as we know them started to be issued from Sep 1837.

You should be able to track down a copy of the PR marriage entry. That will give their names, status (spinster, widowed etc). Normally it will say 'of full age' or with consent of parents if they were less than 21, and which parish they are from The entry will be witnessed by 2people. If they have the same surnames as the bride and and groom, they are probably related.

Earlier in the thread you were given the link to Medway City Ark. Have a dig around on there to view actual entries.

Edit - reading back, it would seem no one has found a marriage entry for Edward Green and Eliza. In that case, no entry, no image.

I am now searching for information on the children of William B Green who married Marion Green
Their marriages and census information if any
Childrens names and ages in 1891
Lillian J Green 11
Edward W Green 9
Roger D Green 6
Helen M Green 13
Thanks for any information
regards Karen

Married when and where please

Where were they in 1891. ?

Ok quite a household

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Cockmach, High Street, Barkway, Royston, Hertfordshire, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William B Green Head Married Male 38 1853 Life Owner Of Freehold & Other Property Australia Transcription
Marion Green Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Helen M Green Daughter - Female 13 1878 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Lilian J Green Daughter - Female 11 1880 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Edward W Green Son - Male 9 1882 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Roger D Green Son - Male 6 1885 - Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Helen L Gregory Governess Single Female 27 1864 Governess Yorkshire, England Transcription
Thomas E Nash Bailiff Single Male 35 1856 Farm Bailiff Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Louisa Crawley Visitor Single Female 81 1810 Retired Nurse Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Hannah Cooper Servant Widow Female 71 1820 Servant Domestic Suffolk, England Transcription
Mary A King Servant Single Female 41 1850 Nurse Domestic Surrey, England Transcription
Emily Hordy Servant Single Female 30 1861 Cook Domestic Hertfordshire, England Transcription
Sarah White Servant Single Female 33 1858 Parlour Maid Domestic Bedfordshire, England Transcription
Ada M Oliver Servant Single Female 26 1865 Housemaid Domestic Whaddon, Cambridgeshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth R Clarke Servant Single Female 17 1874 Housemaid Domestic Cambridgeshire, England Transcription
Ellen T Cutter Servant Single Female 17 1874 Kitchen Maid Domestic Cambridgeshire, England Transcription
Caroline M Whyman Servant Single Female 19 1872. Nursemaid domestic
Hertfordshire

He is a pupil in a school

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Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
First name(s) Roger D
Last name Green
Relationship Pupil
Marital status Single
Gender Male
Age 16
Birth year 1885
Occupation Stu
Birth town Barkway
Birth town as transcribed BARKWAY
Birth county Hertfordshire
Birth county as transcribed HERTFORDSHIRE
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed -
Street Haileybury
Town Hailey
Parish Great Amwell
City -
Country England
County Hertfordshire
Municipal ward -
Registration district Ware
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1279
Folio 50
Page 15
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, England

Back home in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Warrenwood Chailey, Chailey, Sussex, England

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First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
William Barham Green Head Married Male Private Means 58 1853 Australia Melbourne Transcription
Marion Green Head Married Female Private Means 57 1854 Herts Rickmansworth Transcription
Helen Marion Green Daughter Single Female Private Means 33 1878 Herts Sarratt Transcription
Bernard Barham Green Son Single Male Captain 3rd Essex Regt 30 1881 Herts Sarratt Transcription
Roger Day Green Son Single Male Private Means 26 1885 Herts Barkway Transcription
Rosa Agnes Hancock Servant Single Female Parlor- Maid Domestic 45 1866 Cambs Fulbourne Transcription
Marie Annie Turner Servant Single Female Cook Domestic 27 1884 Sussex Nutley Transcription
Ethel Prevett Servant Single Female House-Maid Domestic 24 1887 Sussex Cuckfield Transcription
Janie Barker Servant Single Female House- Maid Domestic
Married 34 years 5 children born all living



1939 register
Still with his mum and some siblings all single

Green Household (9 People)
Houses , Chailey R.D., Sussex, England
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FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB OCCUPATION
Roger D Green 26 May 1884 Independent
Marion Green 17 Apr 1853 Independent
Helen M Green 28 Aug 1877 Independent
Bernard B Green 12 May 1880 -
Edward W Green 19 Sep 1881 -
Annie Fuller 22 Oct 1883 Domestic Service
Amy Stidworthy 03 Mar 1889 Domestic Service
George L Puttick (Towsell) 15 Oct 1902 Domestic Service
Mary E Deacon 20 Jul 1867 Domestic Service
Ref: RG101/2540J/021/5 Letter Code:
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First name(s) ROGER D
Last name GREEN
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1884
Age 71
Death quarter 4
Death year 1955
District Hove
County Sussex
Volume 5H
Page 399
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007


ROGER DAY
Last name GREEN
Birth year 1884
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Royston
County Hertfordshire
Country England
Volume 3A
Page 442
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006


GREEN, ROGER DAY mmn BRANTON-DAY
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in ROYSTON Volume 03A Page 442 Order

GREEN, HELEN MARION mmn BRANTON DAY
GRO Reference: 1877 S Quarter in WATFORD UNION Volume 03A Page 424

Marriages Sep 1876
BRANTON-DAY Marion Watford 3a 528
DAY Marion Watford 3a 528
Green William Barham Watford 3a 528

GREEN, LILIAN JOAN mmn BRANTON DAY
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in WATFORD Volume 03A Page 462


Lilian Joan
Last name Green
Birth year 1879
Birth date 11 May 1879
Baptism year 1879
Baptism date 22 Jun 1879
Place Sarratt
Father's first name(s) William Barham
Father's occupation Gentleman
Mother's first name(s) Marion
Country England
Record set Hertfordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
East Lodge Redbourne Road, Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, England

Marion Edith Grover Daughter Single Female - 27 1884 Hemel Hempstead Herts Transcription
Helena Kate King Visitor Single Female Nurse Domestic 58 1853 Beddington Surrey Transcription
Lilian Joan Green Visitor Single Female Poultry Farmer 31 1880 Sarralt Herts Transcription
Alice Jane Preston Servant Single Female Housemaid 28 1883 Berkhamstead Herts Transcription
Martha Wells Servant Single Female Housemaid 19 1892 Hemel Hempstead Herts Transcription
Emily Horn Servant Single Female Cook

Possibly never married


First name(s) LILIAN J
Last name GREEN
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1880
Age 80
Death quarter 2
Death year 1960
District New Forest
County Hampshire
Volume 6B
Page 334
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
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