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I'd be willing to bet on that one,Catherine!!!!

Annina-you might want to get one of the younger siblings birth cert just to make certain of Flo's maiden name.

Maureen

That looks interesting, Maureen!

and if Revel is her maiden name, then this could be a possible birth?

Births Jun 1891
Revill John William Chesterfield 7b 784

I'm wondering if this is John and Florence in 1891:
1891 Ancestry
Name: Florence Revel
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodhouse, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Eckington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter and St Paul
Town: Eckington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Eckington
ED, institution, or vessel: 16a
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Mundy 29
Martha Mundy 27
John T Mundy 9
George Mundy 3
William Mundy 11/12
John Fretwell 24
Florence Revel 22

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2770; Folio 67; Page 23;


Maureen

This one is the same reg.district as the marriage so possible birth?

Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
Shaw John William Ecclesall B. 9c 452

I'm just wondering if John was born before the couple married and so may be registered under his mothers maiden name?

Wonder if this is the John you are looking for !!!?
William may have been added afterwards

Births December (quarter) 1893
Fretwell John
Chesterfield 7b 707

Thankyou all, you have come up with the right marriage, but the Wakefield John is the wrong one, I have that cert if anyone wants it.

The John/Florence marriage may be his father but seems to late.

Just thought..........................
In 1911 Florence is 41yrs. old so if she was married for 26yrs. that means she would have been 15 when she married.............that can't be correct?

Only marriage I could find for John Fretwell to Florence ?:-

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
Fretwell John Francis Ecclesall B. 9c 507
Hammond Walter Harry Ecclesall B. 9c 507
Rowbotham Beatrice Ecclesall B. 9c 507
Shaw Florence Ecclesall B. 9c 507
The district Ecclesall B. is an alternative name for Ecclesall Bierlow and it spans the boundaries of the counties of Derbyshire and West Riding of Yorkshire

so possible he married twice?

EDIT:-
so 1911 says they were married for 26yrs!
Which means they would have married in 1885 and not 1895?

1911 census



1911 Census Household Transcript
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Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
FRETWELL, JOHN HEAD MARRIED M 44 COAL HEWER MINER STAVELEY DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, FLORRIE WIFE MARRIED 26 F 41 WOODHOUSE DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, JOHN WILLIAM SON SINGLE M 19 COAL FILLER UNDERGROUND ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, AMY MARY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 17 AT HOME ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, PATIENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 14 ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, FLORENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 13 AT HOME ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, HAROLD SON SINGLE M 11 AT SCHOOL ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, HILDA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 9 ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, BERNARD SON SINGLE M 6 ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, DORIS DAUGHTER SINGLE F 2 ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL, PATIENCE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 ECKINGTON DERBYSHIRE
FRETWELL JOHN WILLIAM (RG14PN21141 RG78PN1259 RD438 SD4 ED11 SN110)
Address 5 POT HOUSES ECKINGTON SHEFFIELD County Derbyshire
District Chesterfield Subdistrict Eckington
Enumeration District 11 Parish Eckington

for ref:-
1901
Name: John W Fretwell
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Florence
Gender: Male
Where born: Eckington, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Eckington
Ecclesiastical parish: Eckington St Peter and St Paul
Town: Eckington
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub-registration district: Eckington
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members:
Name Age
John Fretwell 34 born: Staveley, Derbyshire
Florence Fretwell 31 born: Woodhouse, Yorkshire
John W Fretwell 9
Annie Fretwell 7
Florence Fretwell 3
Harold Fretwell 1
Chas Staton 22

The only John William Fretwell From 1890 to 1895


Birth index
December (quarter) 1892
Fretwell John William
Wakefield 9c 6

maybe marriage index

Name: Elizabeth A Turner
Spouse Surname: Fretwell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2527
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

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Cross check for spouse

Name: John W Fretwell
Spouse Surname: Turner
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2527
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Marriage?

Marriages Jun 1920 (51%)
Fretwell John W (Turner) Chesterfield 7b 2527

Name: John W Fretwell
Spouse Surname: Turner
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2527

Elizabeth A Turner Fretwell Apr-May-Jun 1920 Chesterfield Derbyshire

and birth?
Births Dec 1892 (>99%)
Fretwell John William Wakefield 9c 6
The district Wakefield spans the boundaries of the counties of West Riding of Yorkshire and West Yorkshire

Yes, iv'e tried freebmd, GR, mormon site , I must be doing something wrong, I have payed subs to Ancestry but can never log on, big fat waste of cash.

have you looked on the FreeBMD site..it is free to use

Help, please, Trying to find the record for birth of John William Fretwell 1892.

Father John mother Florence, probably Eckington, NE Derbyshire.

Also the marriage of John Fretwell to Elizabeth Ann turner, probably in same area