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How do I do it so quickly???

Well, long practice, for one thing.

But having the fruits of all your labours to start with would be the main factor, I think. ;)

Hmm, I'd be as likely to think there were just name muddles, rather than two sons named Frederick.


I'd guess this is the sequence:

Marriages Dec 1884
Brown George Samuel Marylebone 1a 989
> PARKER Alfred Marylebone 1a 989
Ryall Eunice Butt Marylebone 1a 989
> THORN Eliza Marylebone 1a 989

Births Jun 1885
Parker Alfred John Marylebone 1a 592

Births Sep 1886
Parker Frederick Robert Marylebone 1a 527

with another child born later who didn't survive to the 1891 census, or born after the 1891 and didn't survive to the 1901.

Then this death matches with mother Eliza's age (28+8) in 1891:

Deaths Jun 1899
Parker Eliza 36 Marylebone 1a 393


Query again -- you have a birth cert for a Frederick Robert Parker? If so, who are the parents?

If not, I'd get the one above in this post, and check whether the mother is Eliza Thorn. If so, I'd think he's your man.

I'd get the Alfred John certificate too, since he's pretty definitely the one in the 1911 I'd think, to verify that Alfred Parker and Eliza Thorn are the right couple.

Then you'd be pretty sure that Frederick John Parker who married Amy was really Frederick Robert and just didn't know his own middle name. Really not that unusual!

Janey I do ! How do you do this so quickly????It took me forever.

Amy Parker died 19th november 1918 at 17 Percy Rd where my father and his brother Gilbert had been born.She was buried in a paupers grave at Willesden Green Cemetry Cause of death : Influenza and Broncho- Pneumonia.
Alfred Parker father-in -law present at the death and also of same address

Thank you so much for trying to help with all this.

Amy Parker in 1911 census says 2 children (she had Dorothy 1909 and Rosina was on the way!)

Frederick in 1911 says 0 children but interestingly his father Alfred says 3 children born alive 2 still living and 1 who died which brings me back to the Frederick Robert v Frederick John.

Do you have Amy's death cert?

This was the only likely record I saw, based on age -- yes, son John was born in Willesden, so this will be her:

Deaths Dec 1918
Parker Amy 34 Willesden 3a 666

Who was the informant of death?

I get about the Parkers -- just want to be absolutely sure it's the right Fred Parker in 1911 so we don't go barking up the wrong tree for Amy!

What you have does sound perfectly credible -- the Amy Parker you're looking at.

What do both that Amy and Frederick say for number of children?

Does that Amy report married?

Ah, okay, I hadn't clicked on all the Freds at CWGC, and didn't try that one because of it being Durham.

"Son of Alfred Parker of 101 Granville Rd Kilburn
Husband of late Amy Parker"

- she was "late" at the time the memorial was written, of course.

Might be worth checking this one out:

Births Sep 1886
Parker Frederick Robert Marylebone 1a 527

- is that the one you have? Are the parents Alfred and Eliza perchance?


My grandfather's mum died when he was 10. Until he retired, he thought he was a year older than he was (born 1901, not 1900), and had his name completely screwed up; it wasn't at all what he'd gone by all his life. Only found out the facts when he retired and had to get his birth cert. When your mum was gone, in those days, you might have got confused. ;)

Everything on the Parker side of things adds up it is Amy who is so elusive.

It was CWGC who got me started on this.
Frederick Parker was in Durham Light Infantry and died on 27.10.1917
at Ypres.
Son of Alfred Parker of 101 Granville Rd Kilburn
Husband of late Amy Parker

Crossing in the post again. Your reasoning is sound. ;)

The Parkers in 1891 in St Marylebone:

Alfred Parker 29
Eliza Parker 28
Alfred Parker 6
Frederick Parker 4

Again, age consistent with age at marriage. Daddy probably just wasn't the keeper of the birthdays in the family, and by the time it got to 1911 he wasn't an accurate timekeeper.

Right, I'm just duplicating info.

You said at the outset:

"A few days later when the 1911 census was taken he is at same address as on marriage certificate"

So presumably the father's name was the same too, and this is them.

The age in the 1901 census matches the age on the marriage cert.

Wow! You are truly amazing at the speed you can track all this.It has taken me 5 years!

I am absolutely 100% that the marriage cert is my Amy and Frederick's because of the address match where the children were born/census.
Also I have all the children's birth certs which say either Frederick or Frederick John.

The big surprise came when I finally found the marriage cert that Amy was Eliza Amelia Amy Harris.

The only birth cert that I found was for Frederick Robert 24th May 1886 nothing ever materialised for a Frederick John.
1911 census puts Frederick : with brother Alfred J Parker (23) living with Frederick R (22) and father Alfred says 3 children born 2 still alive so I have always presumed that possibly Frederick shared a birth cert with a sibling who died as I believe was done but get very confused .

This seems to be that household in 1901 -- all three had lost a couple of years by 1911:


Name: Fred Parker
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Alfred
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil parish: Paddington

Alfred Parker 39
Alfred Parker 16
Fred Parker 15

Urgh. This is the 1911 household:

PARKER ALFRED M 1864 47 St Marylebone London
PARKER R FREDRED M 1889 22 St Marylebone London
PARKER J ALFRED M 1888 23 St Marylebone London

You can see what it actually says, I gather. ;)

Is Alfred the father's name on the marriage cert, and the age matches with the groom's age on the cert?

Also, do father and son's occupations match?

Do you have Frederick's death record from the CWGC site?

http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp?menuid=14

I don't see an F Parker to match, and especially one commemorated at the Ypres memorial.

You don't suppose this is actually your Frederick in 1911, do you?

MILITARY PARKER FREDERICK J 1890 21 Overseas Royal Navy

Just to recap what we know for sure.

Eliza Amelia Amy Harris who married Frederick John Parker in March 1911 is definitely your father's mother.

EAAH and FJP had four children in total, starting wtih Dorothy in - 1910, in Marylebone?

Is the mother's name Eliza Amelia Amy Harris on her children's birth certs?
And the father -- Frederick John or Frederick Robert on the children's birth certs?

I get the feeling "Amy" is a known-as name, short for Amelia.

What was Frederick's father's name, on the marriage cert?

I'm not finding him as Frederick Robert Parker in the 1911. Can you reproduce the household results? I imagine you checked that the father's name is the same as on the marriage cert, just getting up to speed here.

Dorothy Winifred Amy Parker 07.10.09
Rosina Winifred Parker 27.10.11
Gilbert Frederick Parker 17.11.13


My father'sbrother and sisters - my father :

John Percival Parker 31.10.15

They were all taken to an orphanage when Amy died and were later adopted but somehow all stayed in touch so yes I did know Dorothy

The "single" on the 1911 census -- hmm, I was going to say possible enumerator error/assumption (sons with father, therefore single), but in 1911 householders filled out their own forms, if I've got it right.

(I'm a whiz at searching the 1911 by now, but since I don't have any need to look at any of the forms for myself at present, I haven't yet paid to see any of the actual images.)

Pondering ...