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I've had no success whatsoever in locating Eliza Jane Webber (born Bondleigh, Devon in 1887) on either the 1901 nor 1911 census returns.
Eliza Jane Webber appeared on 1891 census living with her grandparents at Bondleigh.
Eliza married Arthur Gordon Torkington on 6th August 1913 at Hambledon, Haslemere.
She seems to have 'vanished' between 1891 and 1913 ..........
Has anyone any ideas or suggestions?????

Is she Elizabeths daughter

As far as I know, just applied for copy of birth certificate .....
On Eliza Jane's marriage certificate father's name was left blank!!

I see that Eliza is with Elizabeth on the 1891......maybe Elizabeth got married after 1891 and Eliza is on the 1901 with Elizabeth under Elizabeths married name......But when Eliza married she went back to her name of Webber

Hope that makes sense

Yes that makes sense - I've just had a quick look at marriages on bmd for Elizabeth Webber but no name 'rings any bells'.
In 1901 Eliza Jane would have been 14 years old so may have been 'at work' - I've looked at Devon, Hampshire and Surrey areas but without success at the moment!!

just checked 1901 census for Elizabeth Kingsland - her place of birth was given as South Tawton and not Bondleigh and there's no mention of Eliza only children produced from her marriage to James Kingsland ...

Have just check Elizabeths 2 brothers in the 1901 & Eliza isn't with them

this looks like her mother in 1901



1901 England Census
about Elizabeth A Webber
Name: Elizabeth A Webber
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Borleigh, Devon, England

Civil parish: Haslemere
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Hambledon
Sub-registration district: Witley
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Household Members: Name Age
William Jackson 78
Ann M Jackson 47
Eliza Jackson 37
Rosa Jackson 34
Mary Jackson 45
Emily Young 38
Elizabeth A Webber 30
Lilly C Bannister 29
Mellie Eldridge 16




Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 618; Folio: 55; Page: 29.

Source Information:

Ancestry.com. 1901 England FFYN

mum in 1901?

Name: Elizabeth A Webber
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Servant
Where born: Borleigh, Devon, England

Civil parish: Haslemere
County/Island: Surrey

William Jackson 78
Ann M Jackson 47
Eliza Jackson 37
Rosa Jackson 34
Mary Jackson 45
Emily Young 38
Elizabeth A Webber 30
Lilly C Bannister 29
Mellie Eldridge 16


Dang, and I tried so hard to figure out what was going on here withall the opening chat about stuff that wasn't in the thread. ;)

It is so strange that I cannot find Eliza Jane on the 1911 census, I feel even if she did 'adopt' another surname in 1901 (if Elizabeth had remarried) I feel she would have reverted to her Webber surname in 1911 when she would have been working, probably in Surrey or Hampshire area.

This is about the only Devon Elizabeth of the rightish age going in 1901 in the Haslemere area:

Name: Elizabeth D Stake
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Servant
Where born: Torrington, Devon, England

Civil parish: Haslemere

James Cleghorn 59
Tryphena Cleghorn 43
Desymons Barrow 77
Mary E Barrow 66
Mary Brown 37
Annie Coleman 32
Alice M Lawrence 25
Maude Ragless 20
Elizabeth D Stake 15

- and I think it probably says Blake.

Yes, yes ladies that definitely sounds like Elizabeth in 1901 - so it seems highly that Eliza Jane would be somewhere in the area - just where??
Ladies your help is so much appreciated - A*******

Searching in 1911 for

Eliz*
born 1884-1890
in Bondleigh

look who we get:

BLAKE ELIZABETH 1887 24 Crediton Devonshire

may be living with:

BLAKE JAMES 1847 64 Crediton Devonshire
BLAKE PHILLIP 1888 23 Crediton Devonshire

Can't tell without viewing the transcript or image.

This gets even stranger doesn't it?
I suppose it is a possibility that Eliza's biological father was named Blake and for some reason she called herself that on 1901 and 1911 census returns.
If she knew his name was Blake why didn't she enter his surname on her marriage certificate?

Mother in 1911


WEBBER ELIZABETH 1871 40 Hambledon Surrey

(searched for born Bondleigh)


Okay, this is interesting.

Searched in 1911 for

Eliz*
in Hambledon
living with Eliz* Webber


PEACH S ELIZABETH 1891 20 Hambledon Surrey
JACKSON ELIZA 1862 49 Hambledon Surrey


I'd been looking at Ms Peach in 1891 earlier:


Name: Elizabeth A Peach
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Simion
Mother's Name: Elisa
Where born: Bondleigh, Devon, England

Civil parish: Sampford Courtenay

Simion Peach 31
Elisa Peach 36 - born Bondleigh
Laura Ellen Bolt 13
Elizabeth A Peach 4
Mark W G Peach 2
Edith F Peach 11/12


Why is she suddenly living with Elizabeth Webber in Hambledon in 1911?

Im thinking that if her Mum was in Haslemere on the 1901 and she married over that way in 1913....then shes what way too

Janey

I was looking at that family same family on the 1901 but they are with Elizas Dad..& i couldn't see a marriage for them

Elizth Peach
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: Simeon
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Bondleigh, Devon, England

Civil parish: Bondleigh
Ecclesiastical parish: Bondleigh St James
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Okehampton
Sub-registration district: Tawton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
John Bolt 76
Simeon Peach 41
Eliza Peach 46
Elizth Peach 14
Mark Peach 12
Florence Peach 10
Maud Peach 8
Bertha Peach 7
Mary Peach 2

You'll have to forgive me for conking out here. I didn't sleep last night and I have just completely confused myself. !

It's about 6 pm where I'm at and I'm gonna go crash out in front of Corrie. Hopefully somebody else will clean up my muddle before I wake!

Oh, oops, boo there, Julie. Not "somebody else" -- I didn't see you first!

Over to you, and out of here for me. ;)

Could she be one and the same, and have been enumerated with both sets of grandparents in 1891?


Proof of life:
(there's something wrong with the transcription though)

Births Mar 1887
PEACH Elizabeth Ann Okehampton 5b 355