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This is a very complicated side of my family. My grandmother was Irene Tugela Davies. Her parents were John and emily davies formerly green.I have emily's birth certificate stating parents john and mary ann green formerly doudle. Her name on the birth cert IN 1877 is Emily Showman Green. I have a census for my grandmother stating that Henry Showman, german subject age 60, is living as a boarder with John and Emily in 1901.
John green married mary ann doudle in 1864. I also have a marriage cert for Henry Shormurun and mary ann green (widow) in 1889 both marriages in Neath. The only problem is.... the ages on both marriages do not tie up, and mary ann doudles father was James Doudle on her marriage cert to John Green. On the marriage to Henry Shormurun, mary ann greens father is Robert Powell deceased. I have various census that lead me to believe mary ann had children with Henry when she was married to John, as Emily is shown as Henrys daughter on one census with other children as Step children (GREENS). Very confusing I know.
I know when Henry and Mary ann died, but cannot find any reference to what happened to John Green. I presume both mary anns are the same person, but as there are 2 fathers quoted im not so sure.
thanks for your help
marlene

Actually, there are loads of Scheuermann-s in the censuses.

In the GRO, I searched for Herm* Sch*n, wondering whether Hermann had died in England/Wales, and ran across other possible variations on the spelling:

Scheurmann
Schwarmann
Schwermann
Schurmann

and possibly
SCHNURMANN
Shermann
Shauermann
Shanermann (likely a mistranscription of Shauermann)
Scharmann
Schermann
Scheirmann
SCHEAERMANN

There are loads of Heinrich Scheuermann / Schuermann-s in the IGI, but none with father Hermann.

Here's an interesting household in 1891.

Name: Adam Scherman
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Where born: Preußen
Occupation: Skin Dyer (Fur)

Civil parish: St George in The East

Adam Scherman 44
Eliza Scherman 44
H G Lubell 28
Herman Scheuermann 11
Price Brozowski 23
William Ramer 21
Gustav Gehchar 28
Hugh Newmann 25
Adolf Barghusen 20
St Talkowski 28

Name: Herman Scheuermann
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Adam
Mother's Name: Eliza
Where born: St George in The East, London, England


Interesting, I thought, because this Adam, born in Germany, is of an age to be a brother of our Henry, and has a son hamed Herman, our Henry's father's name.

Actually, I'm not entirely convinced the name is Adam, and of course the surname is the same for him and his son. I think Scheuermann is the best reading. Showman would be a predictable anglicization.


No, Adam it is:

Marriages Dec 1874
Koch Eva Whitechapel 1c 886
Mayer Johann Whitechapel 1c 886
Scheuermann Adam Whitechapel 1c 886
Scheukrmann Adam Whitechapel 1c 886
ZABEL Elisabeth Whitechapel 1c 886
Zabel Elizabeth Whitechapel 1c 886


The "Lubell" in the household above is Zabell, a child of Eliza's prior to the marriage it would seem.

Oops, I missed the date Marlene gave for the marriage.


Marriages Jun 1889
Green Mary Ann Neath 11a 1063
Shormrnn Henry Neath 11a 1063
Shormrun Henry Neath 11a 1063

Hmm.

Checked the image, and it is indeed entered twice in the index, presumably because the transcriber couldn't read the original.

One is SHORMRNN, and the other is SHORMRUN, looks like to me.

Marlene, do you have the certificate? That would seem to be the best chance of getting an accurate surname.


Likely Mary Ann was still married to a first husband up to then.

Daughter Emily's birth:

Births Dec 1877
Green Emily Showman Neath 11a 598

Looks like they weren't married. ;)


But was Green the birth surname or first married surname of Mary Ann?


Other births:

Births Jun 1873
GREEN Mary Showman Neath 11a 564

Births Mar 1882
Green Henry Showman Neath 11a 578

Not seeing Rose.


This is the common pattern for naming children of unmarried parents, of course: father's surname becomes a middle name.

here is Emily in 1891 ..... she is a General Servant (daughter is a mis-transcription)


1891 Census

Name: Emily Showman
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< should be Servant
Father's Name: John V
Mother's Name: Frances
Gender: Female
Where born: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Dyffryn Clydach
Ecclesiastical parish: Skewen
Town: Dyffryn Clydach
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Cadoxton

John V Jenkins 48
Frances Jenkins 39
William E Jenkins 12
Herbert G Sims 19
Sarah Jenkins 79
Emily Showman 14 General Domestic Servant





I'm still trying to find Henry!!!!



sylvia

Interesting!!!!


This is Henry SHOWMAN on the 1881 Census, with wife Mary Ann ....... but he's born in Holland, Essex


1881 Census

Name: Henry Showman
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Holland, Essex, England

Civil parish: Neath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 8 Castle Street
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Neath

Henry Showman 38
Mary Ann Showman 39 b.ca 1842, Barnstaple, Devon
Mary Green 9 b.ca 1872, Neath, Step-daughter
William Green 13 b.ca 1868, Neath, Step-son
Rose Showman 7 b.ca 1874, Neath, Daughter
Emily Showman 4 b.ca 1877, Neath, Daughter
James Brown 50 Boarder

The image says very clearly Holland, but the word before it has a big black mark scored through it and it is very difficult to tell whether it does actually say Essex!



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and this is him in 1901


1901 Census

Name: Henry Showman
Age in 1901: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Deu German Subject

Civil parish: Neath
Ecclesiastical parish: Llantwit and Neath
Town: Neath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Neath

John Davies 30
Emily Davies 24
Susanah Davies 2
Irene Tugela Davies 1 month
Henry Showman 60 Ostler at hotel


On the image, it does say German subject, born Germany, language English



I haven't yet found him on 1881 or 1891, nor have I found his marriage ......... at least not under Showman!




sylvia

Showman doesn't sound at all German - sure it's not Schumann?

I have a henry showman living in neath, german subject. Can anyone help me find out how to trace when he came into this country. His father was Hermunn. I have henry living in neath in 1871 age 26, and marrying mary ann green in 5/6/1889. thanks very much
marlene