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Didnt know they put fish in stocks ... did they also throw rotten vegetables at them.

Robert

Urgh.

Now about this lonely little turbot ... I know about the lonely little petunia in an onion patch ... Oh, yes, of course.

"last, lonely, unloved, unattractive little turbot clinging on by its fingernails to the Grand Banks of Newfoundland."

Fish makes me puke. And I'll tell you, those government contracts of mine, a decade or two ago, there was so much fish wars stuff I had to do ... I still have an inch-thick lexicon somewhere of all the lingo for the cases at the Intl Court of Justice about the dispute with France, and what the Latin and French name for every b'dy species of fish in every straddling stock is -- and a couple of pretty maps of the demarcation lines on the Grand Banks taken from the books I didn't return, and framed and hanging on my kitchen wall. I liked the colours. ;) But fish makes me puke.

It would appear that Mary Dixon Woolf/Parker's mothers' maiden name was Nailis hence the "Nelles" connection.

Just an update

Robert

Naturally, Janey, was there any doubt, with such an astute researcher at it, and there does appear to be some Nelles (or variation thereof) in the mix when I find out the entire relationships will update everyone ... the Polly connection seems to have been a red herring (or for Janey "a lonely little turbot" but there again she may not be old enough to remember the quote) The Polly I found did die as Parker.

Again all thank you

Robert

Yay! (Success rhymes with Nelles, I see. ;) )

Does this mean my house of cards withstood scrutiny??

For all those wonderful people out there THANK YOU I hav just been talking to my wife's 2nd cousin .... as usual Janey what can I say but Brilliant.

Again thank you

Another small detail from the diary search Mary (whomever) visited in Canada in Nov Dec 1976 so by reasonable deduction she must have dided in 1977 or after

Robert

Update ... sent PM's as suggested awaiting replies

Robert

Now, I'd think this more likely to be the Norman Ernest Parker born in Harrogate/Knaresborough:


Marriages Mar 1927

Parker Norman E Woolf Knaresbro' 9a 189
WOOLF Mary PARKER Knaresbro' 9a 189

And look what I found:

Marriages Jun 1917
Dixon Mary Woolf Newcastle T. 10b 123
Woolf John M Dixon Newcastle T. 10b 123


But ...

Births Sep 1917
Woolf William J V Dixon Newcastle T. 10b 194
Births Jun 1919
Woolf John J Dixon Newcastle T. 10b 81
Births Mar 1921
Woolf Mary N Dixon Newcastle T. 10b 104

... but ...

Deaths Sep 1917
WOOLF William J V 0 Newcastle T. 10b 136
Deaths Mar 1922
Woolf Mary N 1 Newcastle T 10b 40

And ...

Deaths Dec 1923
WOOLF John M 28 Newcastle T. 10b 155


The location fits with the Dixon-Angus couple info ...

One child was "Mary N". I wonder what the "N" was for.


The other child, John J Woolf, seems to have survived.

? Name: John J Woolf
Spouse: Ellen Wilkinson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1941
Registration district: Newcastle-Upon-Tyne
Registration county (inferred): Northumberland
Volume Number: 10b
Page Number: 255
(two children of the marriage)


Could he have been left with family in Newcastle when Mary Dixon Woolf married Norman E Parker? Or ... if any of this were to be a true story, and given the date of Dorothy Parker's birth ... when she left John Woolf to live with Norman Parker?


Births Mar 1895
Woolf John Moses Newcastle T. 10b 122

-- a GR member has him in their tree.

I know - that's what was in your opening post and what I have been using as a premise:


Marriages Jun 1916
Dixon Pollie Parker Hemsworth 9c 282
Parker Norman Dixon Hemsworth 9c 282


but what I'm saying is that someone born in 1900 would have been just turned 16 for that marriage.

(Can you explain the Polly Dixon death please??? I do not find the record of it in 1928 that you cited. I think it's irrelevant, but I'd like to know what it says -- when, where, **her age**.)

I have found a marriage between a Norman Parker and Polly Dixon 2qr 1916 in Hemsworth Yorkshire page 282 v9c. This is where I got the Polly connection. Possible??

Robert

So he would be this NP in 1901 in Harrogate, Knaresborough reg dist:

John W Parker 40
Emma E Parker 33
Albert V Parker 11
Stanley Parker 5
Doris Parker 3
Norman Parker 1

and yet he still doesn't exist in 1911! And he would be very young to have married in 1916.


1911

PARKER JOHN 1861 50 Knaresborough Yorkshire West Riding
PARKER EMMA 1869 42 Knaresborough Yorkshire West Riding

None of the children from 1901 is living with them!

Yes Janey I had assumed that it was you and I reiterate that you have to be brilliant dealing with all those wise men and women . I am now in the process of, along with my wife, going through all her old diaries to see if I can glean any tidbits of useful info. My eyes are now beginning to look like p*** holes in snow, but I have so far found that her gfather Norman died Oct 24 1976 and that his bday was Feb 5 1900, this would tie into a FreeBMD Page 112 v9a for a Norman Ernest Parker district of Knaresboro. Mary's dob Aug 26 yr unknown but there was a link to the area mentioned inyour post. Info on death came to mil through "Doreen" FYI Dorothy is deceased so no privacy issues. I hope to get back to this hopefully later tonight.

Robert

Now, from info gleaned by searching trees, it seems that Sarah Dixon was born in 1901. (Her grandson has her in his tree.)

Births Jun 1901
Dixon Sarah Jane Newcastle T. 10b 79

Births Dec 1901
Dixon Sarah Jane Newcastle T. 10b 80


They have Norman Angus as born 1905, but I suspect my 1903 birth is the right one.

!!! After I sent you those PMs, I realized what your name is, and it looked familiar, so I checked my contacts list ... and we have 3 pages of PMs exchanged. ;) If you do the same - click on my name above one of the PMs I sent - you'll see, and if you don't remember who I am, I'll remind you. All the way back to the Hurene case, and before.

Oh, heck, I'm going to quote you, from your very first PM to me - in 2007! Oh, all right, I'll leave out the parts about me being a genius and a wonderful person and all ...

"As I have been trying to find any (even distant) relatives for my wife I know how frustrating it can get."


And here I thought you were a complete stranger. ;) But I have the feeling you'd figured this out already??

I just hope that this doesn't mean you've had threads about this before ...

... Ah, just a little one (hard to tell with all those deletions - ??) ... and no luck?

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=983819


I'm just going to cross my fingers that I'm not sending you off on a complete goose chase with this Aunt Sally construction ...

Have found Doreen Angus's marriage and will PM that and any children found.


... And after ages searching BMDs and the electoral roll and BT on line ... I discover that her husband is a member of GR and has her in his tree. Hopefully he's still active and will receive a PM if you contact him via a tree search! Otherwise, I've provided the link to Whirley's thread for a lookup of the details of the ER listings.


*IF* the Parker-Dixon marriage is your couple, then this seems like a pretty perfect match.

[I'm editing out the Doreen Angus birth details as it seems she is still living. Will send them by PM.]


Marriages Jun 1928
Angus Norman (Dixon) Newcastle T. 10b 193
Dixon Sarah J (Angus) Newcastle T. 10b 193

Too many Sarah Jane Dixons born 1900-1910 in the Newcastle vicinity to guess.

Interesting coincidence on that Norman name.

Births Dec 1903
Angus Norman Newcastle T. 10b 64


Sally = nickname for Sarah
This would also be consistent with Pollie as nickname for Mary, if the family went in for nicknames.


A note:

"There is also a record of a death of Polly Dixon 3rd qr 1928"

-- Pollie Dixon who married Norman Parker would have died as Parker, not Dixon. Unless - the marriage were void or dissolved for some reason, e.g. it was bigamous on one party's part, or they were underage so it was not a validly contracted marriage, or something.

How old was the Polly Dixon who died in 1928? Did I ask that already? ... Yes. ... Okay, I'll answer. There is no death of a Polly Dixon Q3 1928.

... Okay, so Iooked some more. I'd looked at the image for Q3 1928. Nothing.

This one - Q1 not Q3?

Deaths Mar 1928
Dixon Polly 25 Morpeth 10b 520

Not exactly the right place, and she would have been 13 in 1916.


Given the date of the Parker-Dixon marriage, I wondered whether Norman might have been in a foreign military. Checked CEF enrolments at collectionscanada, but no match.


In 1911, both of these are living with a Mary Dixon:

DIXON SARAH J 1902 9 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland
DIXON SARAH JANE 1902 9 Newcastle upon Tyne Northumberland

Okay, so I do wonder about those "Nellie"s in 1911.

NELLIE [no given name shown in results] 1905 6 Hemsworth Yorkshire West Riding
NELLIE DOROTHY 1910 1 Hemsworth Yorkshire West Riding
NELLIE WALTER 1910 9 MONTHS Hemsworth Yorkshire West Riding


Births Dec 1909
NELLIS Dorothy Scarborough 9d 378
- not accounted for in 1911 - the name Dorothy is of note

No birth for a Walter Nell*. (There are a couple of Walter Nellist-s who are accounted for in 1911.)


No-name born c1905 could be a Mary who could have had a child in 1923.

I think I'd pay to have a look at that 1911 census page -- the original image.

I was going to say! Susan Nelles. But that did send me on a bit of a time-consuming wild goose chase, I'm afraid. Proofreadproofreadproofread.

(For the foreigners: Susan Nelles was a nurse charged with the deaths of quite a number of babies she was alleged to have "mercy killed". I believe she was eventually exonerated.)

Now ... you're sure you weren't thinking of someone else when you said Dorothy Parker? ;)


Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong,
And I am Marie of Roumania.

bc of Dorothy issued Knaresborough
Aug 20 1923 which corresponds with all known facts about her (passport, Angolan Id card etc)
Name Dorothy Elsie this differs slightly from marriage cert and other docs as listed by dob always was Dorothy Elsie again this may be a "vanity" change

Edit I just noticed an error in my first post should have read Mary Nelles not Susan I guess I got mixed up with a famous court case we had over here in Janey's land many tears ago

Sorry
Father Norman Ernest Parker of 10 Newham Terrace Harrogate, Butchers assistant differs fom Dorothy mc as then, Oct 9 1943 he was a clerk
Mother Mary Parker formerly Dixon
registered Sept 24 1923.

Again I am assuming this is my wife's mother. It would be nice to find some other relatives as now it would seem that she has no known living relatives

Robert