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Hi Rootgatherer,

Yes, That's the Henry White i was looking for, in the 1891 Census.

I have also be told by the family about the Harry/Henry interchange of his name, so that would also help to confirm.

Thanks very much for your help with this.

1901

Name: John White
Age: 72
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Churton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Churton By Farndon
Ecclesiastical parish: Farndon
Town: Churton By Farndon
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Tattenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 171
Household Members: Name Age
John White 72
Jane White 60
Thomas White 3 Grandson

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3365; Folio: 18; Page: 28.



1881 - So Jane is John's second wife?

Name: John White
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Farn, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Churton By Farndon
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address: Chester Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Tattenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John White 54
Jane White 39
William White 26 Son
Jane White 2 Daughter

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3552; Folio: 33; Page: 24; GSU roll: 1341850.



1871

Name: John White
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Churton, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Churton By Farndon
Town: Churton By Farndon
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Tattenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 27
Household Members: Name Age
John White 44
Sarah White 11
Anna White 8
Mary A White 5

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3717; Folio: 44; Page: 38; GSU roll: 842125.



1861

Name: John White
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Churton, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Hurley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Great Boughton
Sub-registration district: Tattenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
John White 33
Margaret White 27
William White 6
Sarah White 12 Mo
Henry Done 6 Mo Nurse Child
Sarah Cawley 67 Lodger

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2624; Folio: 151; Page: 18; GSU roll: 543001.

Mark, is this the census you were looking for please?

1891

Name: Harry White
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Churton By Farndon, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Churton By Farndon
Ecclesiastical parish: Farndon
Town: Churton By Farndon
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Chester
Sub-registration district: Tattenhall
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John White 62 Agricultural Labourer
Jane White 50
Jane White 12
Harry White 9
Margaret White 5

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2859; Folio 16; Page 26; GSU roll: 6097969.



All born Churton By Farndon

Hi all,

My family search is progressing on this thread, i'm now looking for Ancesteors and Siblings of Henry White b 06/10/1881 in Churton in Cheshire.

I'm out of subscription at the moment on another webiste, Ancestory (awaiting pay day) but Harry White lives with his sister Margaret on a census i saw, (can't remember which one) but when i search trees on here, i can see quite a few Whites born in Churton between 1850 and 1890 and i was wondering if anyone could help me by pointing me in the right direction before decide on wether i should renew y subscription on here.

Many Thanks

I went on the pay per view and managed to find this infromation

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years
married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
WHITE, HARRY HEAD MARRIED
M 29 COWMAN ON FARM CHESTER CHURTON
WHITE, PRUDENCE WIFE MARRIED 1
F 26 CHESTER
CHURTON
JONES, ALICE STEPDAUGHTER
F 4 CHESTER
HORTON
JONES, JAMES STEPSON
M 2 CHESTER
HORTON

So it looks like the right family. Thanks everyone

Christine,

The family tale says that Prudence was married twice and lost her 1st husband during the 1st world war. I was assuming the link to RAF Sealand because of this, but from what everyone on there has posted i can see that the story put forward is unlikely to be true.

Once again, i'm really thankful to everyone who replied so quickly and came up with lots of avenues for me to investigate.

I will update you all on what i find as i go on my family quest!

Thanks again.

Prudence was only in her very early 20,s when she had Alice and I think you will find she had both children illegitimately . She has married and her husband has taken her and her children into the family.
Family stories can get very distorted or even made to cover up what isnt wanted to be known.!happens in all families and then they had no idea that in later years records would show what they wanted to cover up.
You can see why the 100 year disclosure was put in place to encourage people to give info with the knowledge that their personal secretts would stay hidden !!

If I remember rightly I used to go past a welcome to Wales sign at RAF Sealand.
You may need to search both counries.

Who did you think was in the RAF? I did not quite follow.

Births Mar 1879 (>99%)
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Jones Prudence Wrexham 11b 302

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Births Mar 1880 (>99%)
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Jones Prudence Wrexham 11b 300

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Births Jun 1880 (>99%)
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JONES Prudence St. Asaph 11b 385

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Births Mar 1881 (>99%)
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JONES Prudence St.Asaph 11b 327

or

1891

Address: Afon Goch, Ruabon
JONES, John Head Married M 48 1843 Labourer
Llangollen
Denbighshire VIEW
JONES, Elizabeth Wife Married F 45 1846
Frodsham
Cheshire VIEW
JONES, George T Son Single M 16 1875 Labourer
Llaincross
Cheshire VIEW
JONES, Robert W Son Single M 14 1877 Labourer
Wooley Edge
Cheshire VIEW
JONES, Prudence L Daughter Single F 5 1886
Hyton Quary
Cheshire

possible
1891

Address: Infirmary, Regent Street, Wrexham Regis, Wrexham
HICKS, Katherine Jane Head Single F 41 1850 Matron Of Infirmary
Oxford
Oxfordshire VIEW
DRINKWATER, Richard House Surgeon Single M 28 1863 House Surgeon Of Infirmary
Llangollen
Denbighshire VIEW
MULLINS, Elizabeth S Servant Single F 46 1845 Nurse
Corsham
Wiltshire VIEW
MAXWELL, Mary Servant Single F 22 1869 Nurse
Ireland VIEW
LILLEY, Rosina Servant Single F 21 1870 Nurse
Newark
Nottinghamshire VIEW
SPEAKE, Emily Servant Married F 48 1843 Cook Domestic Servant
Dawley
Shropshire VIEW
SPEAKE, Emily P Servant Single F 19 1872 Laundress Domestic Servant
Horsehay
Shropshire VIEW
GRIFFITH, Mary C Servant Single F 37 1854 Housemaid Domestic Servant
Holyhead
Anglesey VIEW
VAUGHAN, Sardinia Servant Single F 17 1874 Kitchenmaid Domestic Servant
Caergwrle
Flintshire VIEW
VICTORY, John Patient Married M 40 1851 General Laborer
Ireland VIEW
JONES, William Patient Single M 28 1863 Ironworker Puddler
Wolverhampton
Staffordshire VIEW
PARRY, John Patient Married M 61 1830 Wheelwright
Abergele
Denbighshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Peter Patient Single M 23 1868 Coal Miner
Rhos-Llanerchrugog
Denbighshire VIEW
WHITLEY, Jarvis Patient Married M 40 1851 Quarryman
Moss
Denbighshire VIEW
DAVIES, Edward Patient Widower M 60 1831 Platelayer
Llanfair
Denbighshire VIEW
ROWLANDS, Charles Patient Married M 37 1854 General Labourer
Chester
Cheshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Thomas Patient Single M 29 1862 General Labourer
Denbighshire
Pentre Broughton VIEW
JONES, Robert Patient Single M 22 1869 Postman
Ruabon
Denbighshire VIEW
JAMES, George Patient Single M 15 1876 Gardener
Pembrokeshire
Tenbig VIEW
STEPHENSON, James Patient Single M 16 1875 Clerk
Benton
Derbyshire VIEW
ROBERTS, William Patient M 12 1879
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
FISHER, Thomas Patient M 10 1881
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Charles Patient M 8 1883
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
HUGHES, Eliza Patient F 4 1887
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
JONES, Maria Patient F 8 1883
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
JONES, Prudence Patient F 11 1880
Denbighshire
Pentre Broughton VIEW
LLOYD, Mary E Patient Single F 26 1865 Cook Domestic Servant
Borth
Merionethshire VIEW
LLOYD, Elizabeth Patient Single F 20 1871 Housemaid Domestic Servant
Mold
Flintshire VIEW
EDWARDS, Elizabeth Patient Single F 22 1869 Housemaid Domestic Servant
Wrexham
Denbighshire VIEW
ROBERTS, Margaret Patient Widow F 68 1823
Ruthin
Denbighshire VIEW
JONES, Mary Ann Patient Single F 17 1874 Dressmaker
Rhos-Llanerchrugog
Denbighshire VIEW
WILSON, Elizabeth Patient Married F 52 1839
Bangor-Ys-Coed
Flintshire VIEW
WILLIAMS, Jane Patient Married F 42 1849
Denbighshire
Adwy VIEW
SULLIVAN, Agnes Patient Single F 18 1873 Dressmaker
Milford Haven
Pembrokeshire

Thank you all very very much for all your help!!!!

Hi Mark,
Not quite sure of the question. I think the children were illegit.,yes,but their birth certs will only give Prudence as the mother,so not much more helpful info.

Maureen

Sorry Maureen,

One last question, Do you think these Children were born without a father? Would there be any other reasons that they would have taken her name. Would the best way to find out be go and dig out the birth certificate now that i have confirmation of their surname?

...and Prudence would ahve been heavy with Child for the 1st White of the family Henry. The census was taken on 02/04/1911 and Henry was born 24/04/1911

Hi Mark,
I rather think the children were born as JONES. Have a look at FreeBMD for possible births. I found a likely Alice in Chester.

Formal adoption didn't come into play until the late 1920's,so the children just took on "Dad's" name.

Maureen

EDIT: The 1911 is pay per view. That's all the info I was able to glean from it.

Wow Maureen, that's really interesting

Either Alice and James took her (Prudence's) name from Birth, or Prudence's 1st Marriage was to a man with the same name as her.

I do know that Alice and James both went on to take the name White at some point. Would adoption ahve been common during these times?

Is there any other information on the 1911 census about the family.? Are they based in Wrexham at this point or in Deeisde?

1911 census-all seem to be in the same household:
1911 census
JONES ALICE F 1907 4 Wrexham Denbighshire
HOUSEHOLD JONES JAMES M 1909 2 Wrexham Denbighshire
WHITE HARRY M 1882 29 Wrexham Denbighshire
WHITE PRUDENCE F 1885 26 Wrexham Denbighshire

Maureen

Just a little observation
If she had children in 1906 /9/11 and her husband was killed in WW1 one would have thought there were more children before 1914 if her husband was then called up . she seems to have stopped from 1911.Possible I know but may be significant

Shiley and Selena,

Thanks you both for your help. From what you've both said it looks like her maiden name was Jones.

I'm guessing these 2 were born to a father called Parry then (from family folklore ) but not sure where?

Alice b 31/10/1906
James b 24/02/1909


I shall have to hunt around and see what i can find... Which after a quict look on Parry and Jones hasn't turned up much. :(