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hello, im trying to find out if what we have been told is true, we have always been told that the lee's were gypsies. the earliest record i can find of my lee family is the 1841 census where samuel lee was born in about 1810 from open gate shropshire. he then went onto marry in dudley worcestershire and had my g g grandfather william who was born in brockmore staffs in 1835 he then had my g grandfather john in 1874 born in stockton on tees, there the family stayed. samuel married a lady called eliza armstronng. can anyone trace him back further for me please or tell me what i need to do to find out where his family came from. thanking you in anticipation, helen x

1881

Samuel LEE Head M Male 71 Hanburn, Berkshire, England Basket Maker
Mary LEE Wife M Female 42 Ross, Hereford, England
Nathaniel LEE Son U Male 25 Sciwen, Glamorgan, Wales Tinker (Tinker)
Joseph LEE Son U Male 17 Llanelly, Carmarthen, Wales Tinker
Lewiza LEE Daur U Female 16 Sciwen, Glamorgan, Wales Hawker
Laura LEE Daur Female 12 Llanbedder, Carmarthen, Wales
Oliver SMITH Nephew W Male 31 Trolie, Monmouth, England Umbrella Maker
Edmund SMITH Nephew U Male 13 Dudley, Worcester, England Umbrella Maker
Emily SMITH Niece U Female 25 Bristol Hawker


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Source Information:
Dwelling Trebershun Road (Tents)
Census Place Llangasty Talyllyn, Brecon, Wales
Family History Library Film 1342314
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5461 / 39
Page Number 9

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hello ann, sorry for the delay in readin gmy replies. as there were no replies for over an hour when i posted i thought nobody would see my post as others would post on top of mine. i do appologise.
i dont think this is the samuel lee i am searching. i know his wifes name was eliza and the children are all different. on the census it says he was born in open gates. thankyou for replying to my post tho, very best wishes to you helen

hi could this be son william in 1871

1871 census

Name William Lee
Age 36
Estimated Year of Birth 1835
Relationship to Head of Household HEAD
Occupation PUDDLER
Address 23 Crofton Street
District Stockton, Stockton
Parish
Administrative County Durham
Birth Place Brickmoor
Birth County STAFFORDSHIRE
in house
william head 36
mary wife 31
ann 11
salathail 9
george 7
mercy 6
athaliah 4
eliza 1
RG 10 / 4903

possible for samuel
1871 census

Name Eliza Lee
Age 58
Estimated Year of Birth 1813
Relationship to Head of Household WIFE
Occupation ?
Address 8 Edward Row
District Stockton, Stockton
Parish
Administrative County Durham
Birth Place --
Birth County STAFFORDSHIRE
in house
samuel lee head 62 puddler born shropshire
eliza wife 58
george 27
joseph 20
samuel 19
elizabeth daughter in law 26
asmath granson 2
joseph grandson 3 months
william smith grandson 7
william lee nephew 30 pudddler
RG 10 / 4902

if you notice though, the ones I posted are gypsies

hi ann do you know what a puddler was i have no idea

closest for puddler o could find

Iron Puddler
Made wrought iron using the puddling process; a highly skilled and dangerous occupation which required physical strength, stamina and sustained concentration


The Puddling Process
In 1784 Henry Cort devised a method of producing wrought iron from cast iron using a Coal fired Reverbatory Furnace. Solid Cast Iron was heated within an enclosed furnace.
A Reverberatory Furnace is a long low structure built out of fire bricks. The coal fire was at one end with the hearth between the fire and the chimney. The hearth was slightly dished with a roof that directed the smoke and flame from the fire well above the iron. By keeping the smoke and flame above the iron, no carbon from the fire came in contact with the iron.
Solid Pig (Cast) Iron was heated vigorously in the hearth until it was all molten. The fire was then damped down and the iron stirred so as to bring as much as possible in contact with the air. As wrought Iron has a higher melting point than Cast Iron, if the temperature in the furnace was correct the iron began to solidify as the carbon was removed. Eventually the Wrought Iron could be worked into a single lump of iron in the centre of the Hearth. Although in theory this was Wrought Iron it was not usable in this form because of the slag within the lump.
For the Wrought Iron to be made usable, it was lifted from the furnace and forged using a 'Shindling Hammer'. Finally it was rolled into bars or sheet. As most of the slag was squeezed out of the iron under the Shindling Hammer this could be a dangerous job, with each drop of the hammer white hot slag would be strayed out across the forge. As the workmen had to hold and move the iron during the forging, there was no option other than for them to dress in heavy protective clothing.
An improvement to Cort's puddling process came from Joseph Hall in 1816. Hall added mill scale (iron oxide formed and broken off during the forging and rolling) to the Cast Iron at the start of the Puddling process. Once the iron had melted, the carbon monoxide formed by the mill scale bubbled up through the iron giving the impression of boiling, thus the common name for this refinement 'Pig Boiling'.

hi lorraine thanks for the info wasnt sure what it was thought it migt be something to do with gypsies

Hello, just as a matter of interest, in the 19th century, tinkers weren't gypsies. They were men who had been apprenticed and trained in working with tin. They travelled around repairing small household items, usually those made of tin. It's only later that tinker came to mean gypsy.

Lee is a gypsy name - Gypsy Rose Lee!!!

Hi Polly, yes that william is samuels son, my g g grandfather. hi ann, the ones you posted are not my relations sorry. i am tryin gto find if samuels father was maybe from gypsies. i went to stockton last weekend and met up with my grandmothers siblings on the lee side and they all said that they had heard the same story from their parents but could find no record or reference to them being from gypsies. my grandmother was jane ann lee, her dad was john lee, his dad was william lee and his dad was samuel lee and thats as far back as i can get. thankyou to all who have posted i do appreciate it big time xx

Hi anyone researching the Lee family in Norfolk.I'm trying to find the parents of William Lee,m.Caroline Julia Lamb in about 1920 at Kings Lynn,Norfolk.Cant find anything on the internet about who Williams parents where.I am about to send away for his marriage certificate hoping that will tell me.But in the mean time just wondered if anyone was searching the same family and they new who his parents were.Thank you.Jenny

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1364262

When you get details from that Marriage Jennifer, can you add back on above, your other 'Thread', in case they help!...

Chris :)