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Alice Clayton married William Stones. Q2 1941 9b/1065
So Mum definately used Clayton when she married.

Aunt Ann said her mother was born Alice Hawksley,(not sure if I've spelt it correctly), and her fathers name (Anns Grandfather) was called William Hawksley . The story goes that Alice Hawksleys mother died quite young,(about 45) soon after giving birth to her last child. William re-married & Alice didn't get on with her new step mum so she left home. William also had a daughter who married a vicar & lived in the N.E of England. Before Alices Mum died two of her children died quite young-a boy & a girl.
We were told William Hawksley went to sea (not sure if he was a sailor?)& drowned at sea-my brother looked at LLoyds records but with no results.
My Mum married William Stones- she always used Clayton as her maiden name, and I think this is on her marriage cert, although she was born in 1916 before (we think!!) her Mum met Robert Clayton. My brother said her father may have been called called Dixon & that he came from the North of England & died in WW1 in France when Mum was a baby. Mum was only 3 & a half when her brother Charles (Clayton) was born in 1920 & I think she was led to believe Robert Clayton was also her father too.
If it is the same Robert Clayton who died in 1921 aged 58, that means he was 57 when my Uncle Charles was born & Alice (Hawksley) was only 29 (or possibly 34 if she lied about her age). This makes me wonder if she did actually know Robert Clayton earlier than we thought, & was he actually the father of Alice b1916, or did she choose a much older man because he would take on a young woman with a small child?

Who did your mum marry then?,do you have that cert to see if she has a fathers name on it and what name she married in.

Where did aunt ann get the name Hawksley from?

Her death
Alice Clipson age 50
hull ,,june quarter 1942
9d 191

Had to leave the PC for a while so couldn't reply till now.
In WW2 My Aunt Anne, & my Mum Alice, lived in Hull with their mother -I'll call her Grandma Alice to save confusion. (My Dad was away in the RAF.) Grandma Alice was killed as the result of a bombing ,before I was born in Sept 1943, but was alive when my Mum got married, as my Aunt remembered she went to the wedding which took place between 1939 & 1941 I think. My Aunt said she was about 50 when she died (my brother said she may about 5 years older as she had put different ages on her marriage certificates-possibly to appear younger than what she was! I
if she was approx 50 when she died, that means she would have been born around 1890. My Aunt said she left home in Wales to move 'up North' as she didn't get on with her stepmum, I think she assumed thats were she was born. My brother thinks she was probably living in Wales, but may not have been born there.
She was married to Albert Clipson at the time of her death but I can't find any records of her death.
I'll have to push my brother into finding his records as I'm sure he has this info.
PS. A new rabbit has been purchased-the grandchildren think it's Daisy's sister!

But none of it explains where your aunt got the name Hawksley from when her birth shows a mothers maiden name of Clayton,although that is pretty much not going to be the correct maiden name.
Why does she say her mother was born in wales?
How has Alice 1888/1892 birth been arrived at,and when and where did she die,her death ref will have her age on it,unless that was guessed at as well by the informant.

If you go to freebmd and just place Alice in with no surname,dec to dec 1916 then your mother must reasonably be one of those births.
If you discount any with a middle initial as no second name has been given for her,and discount any in the south of England,it will narrow down to still quite a few,but not too many to be handled maybe.

I hope you sang Brighteyes at rabbits funeral,its a lovely song.

Found a marriage of a William Hawksley & Alice L Houghton. Belper Dec 1866. 7b/858. Sometimes called daughters by same name?- Looking back on births about 20-30 years previously I find 2 William Hawksleys. One born June 1839 Belper 19/419 and another also in Belper Sept 1844. 19/413 Trying to find when Alice was born & died to see if anyhting ties in.
Also a William Hawksley died aged 35 in June 1875 Belper 7b/395 & another aged 36 in 1880 7a/187.
Didn't do any research last night-family crisis! Daughter phoned in tears to say their pet rabbit had had an accident & died, & grand children inconsolable. Went over to see them & ended up arranging rabbit funeral. Found a box that used to have a Christmas angel in, (appropriately with Angel picture still on front) & gave them some pretty pink organza to wrap rabbit in. Suggested they put a little note in the box, which they did, together with it's little playball!, and Daddy laid the rabbit to rest in the garden!

Forget about my Hawksley search-I must be a bit thick!!! Didn't realise that 'Bramley' & Basford were the registration districts!
Back to square 1.

Hi Viv,
It's a bit late so you're probably not online. Been so busy today, then got watching a good film!
My brother said Robert Clayton definately died in Dec 1921 aged 58, after being ill for quite a while. He has the death certificate. My Grandmother must have already been 'friends' with Albert Clipson at the time, as she married him the following year an gave birth to Anne in August 1922. There's some doubt as to whether Robert Clayton & Alice were actually married, which would explain the lack of any wedding details. I can remember when I tried to talk to my Mum about her family tree she would change the subject.
My Mum Alice (who I thought was Alice Clayton before she married my Dad)was born 23rd Sept 1916-but we don't know her place of birth, or who her father was! She must have had a birth cert, but they lost almost everything when their house was bombed at Hull in WW2.
Maybe the way to go is to find out if either:
Alice Hawksley b1892,with a mother called Bramley, or
Alice Hawklsley b1894,with a mother called Basford was married to a William Hawksley. This at least may give me the area where they came from. I'll search for marriages from about 5 years earlier than these dates for Basford/Hawksley or Bramley/Hawksley.

1911.
And here is Robert Clayton.

CLAYTON, ROBERT WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 47 LABOURER DOCK SKIRLAUGH IN HOLDERNESS
CLAYTON, SARAH REBECCA WIFE MARRIED 19 F 42 SUTTON UPON HULL
CLAYTON, ROBERT WILLIAM SON SINGLE M 18 GENERAL LABOURER HULL
CLAYTON, EDWARD SON M 12 HULL
CLAYTON, ALBERT SON M 10 HULL
CLAYTON, CHARLES SON M 6 HULL


Trouble is he is married to a Sarah Rebecca,with children and says he was born elsewhere other than Lincolnshire and already has a son called Charles.....

The Alice Hawksley born 1884 also died then.

Deaths Sep 1884 (>99%)
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Hawksley Alice 0 Sculcoates 9d 140

Re-cap

Marriage to Albert Clipson as Alice DIXON.(1922)
Annie has mothers maiden name of CLAYTON.(1922)
Charles has mothers maiden name of WARD.(1920)

A Robert W Clayton died in 1921 aged 5,IF its the correct one and not just a figment of Alices vivid imagination,but it is in the right place and time for your knowledge..

And a birth in 1884 in Scucoates reg district for Alice Hawksley,who,s name is given by Annie,but where did she get that from?

All this happened in the reg district of Sculcoates

A possible birth for Robert
Births Sep 1862
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CLAYTON Robert William Glanford B 7a 585


The district Glanford B is an alternative name for Glanford Brigg and it is in the county of Lincolnshire; information about it can be found here.


Sandy

Do you know your mothers date of birth in 1916,and where exactly she was born?

Also maiden name of DIXON on the one to Albert Clipson! Hawksley/Dixon/Ward/Clayton/Clipson-think we need Hercule Poirot!Logging of as well now, will hopfeully find something else tomorrow.
Thanks again, Sandy

I have to go now but I will be back tomorrow ,in and out,to see if you have any news from them.
A look at both their birth certs would maybe help.
Maiden name of Ward for one and Clayton for the other???

So where does Hawksley come from?
viv

Hmmm food for thought.


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Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
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HAWKSLEY Alice Sculcoates 9d 197

I don't think my Aunt has really thought it through. She just accepted that Clayton was on her birth certificate because this had been her mothers previous name. Ther's been no consistency at all.

Do please come back with an update on what they say,this is interesting!
viv

Thanks for all the help. Have found out more tonight than all my previous research into Mums side.
Aunt Nan(Anne) & Uncle Charlie are both still alive & in their late 80's. Neither will mind me asking questions, but I don't think their mother talked much about her past, they just heard snippets of conversation. I'll phone & ask her if the name WARD rings a bell.

Why would Annie tell you that her mother was Hawksley when she has her mothers maiden name of Clayton on her own birth cert?

I wonder if in the name 'Clayton Robert W ' if the 'W' stands for Ward? or it may be Wilson same as Uncle Charlie?

I think that to have any chance of solving this you will need some of those certificates.
Annies?may be dodgy that one as she is still with us and may get upset about things being searched for.
Charles?
The Clipson marriage .
Roberts death to see who the informant is.


I will have another look at things tomorrow and hopefully Janet will be back with some ideas.

I am going to edit out annies birth ref as she is still alive ,but if you want it again you can get it from,,,freebmd,,

My Uncle Charlie has always been known as Charles Clayton & my Aunt was called Anne Clipson. Wonder if there's another marriage to a Mr Ward somewhere. If there is my Grandmother was a very busy lady!