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Thomas Watson Saddler Brother of George Watson

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Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 21:34

Looking for Thomas Watson who had a shop of some sort (believed to be in the Norfolk area) in the early 1900's.
Thomas ran the shop witj his brothers George and ????.
George is my Grand Father born 1896 (I believe Thimas was older) but I cannot find anything about his family?
Thanks, Keith Watson

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 6 Sep 2009 21:41

Hi Keith

Thomas was your grandfather? would you care to give us some details on your parent whom he relates, we can then find Thomas and his marriage easier and place him better....

We will most def get you more accurate answers with the additional data.

regards
Tracey x

Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 21:45

My father Stanley Watson Born 1929 was 1 of 12 children of George Stanley Watson and Caroline Bagguley (married 1926).
Cannot find anyhting else about George Stanley or his ancestors
Thanks, keith

Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 21:49

Terence
That is the problem, I have no idea?
Keith

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 6 Sep 2009 22:11

You have the 1926 marriage certificate, Keith?

What name and occupation does it show for George's father?


They married in Nottinghamshire so this would be Caroline:

Births Sep 1906
Bagguley Caroline Mansfield 7b 159


Can you say where the info about Norfolk came from?

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 6 Sep 2009 22:24

Okies this is the marriage....

Marriages Mar 1926
Bagguley Caroline C Watson Southwell 7b 643
Watson George S Bagguley Southwell 7b 643

Tracey x

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 6 Sep 2009 22:26

And you don't know what the S is for? How do you know he was born 1896?

Births Jun 1895
Watson George Stephen Wandsworth 1d 758
Births Sep 1896
Watson George Stewart Hull 9d 305

Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 22:28

Yes I have the marriage cert.
I also know George Stanley Watson died 31/10/1956
George Stanley was a 'journeyman Saddler' on the marriage cert'
I also know his birthday was 23 March which should mean he was born on 23/03/1896 but there is no George Stanley born on this date.
His father is shown as 'Frederick Watson (Master Saddler) Deceased'

Living relatives tell me that the only reference George made to his family was the fact that he and his brothers ran a shop in Norfolk. One relative says he mentioned Swaffham but others say that he did not!

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 6 Sep 2009 22:35

The problem with death data is, the info is only as good as the informant believed it to be... IE if the informant believed him to be 60, 60 it is, whether it's right or wrong It's not exact!!.

How old was he on his marriage cert?

Tracey x

Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 22:38

He was 29 on the marriage cert, which does tie-in with the fact that he should be born 1896.

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 6 Sep 2009 22:43

was he married before or after his 29th birthday?

Tracey x

Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 22:45

He was married 3rd March 1926 (i.e. before birthday), so 29 looks right for 1896

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 6 Sep 2009 22:48

That makes him born 1898? (1897, my brain has just imploded)

He'd have been 29 2 weeks later?

So he married in his 28th year....

Tracey x

Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 23:01

If he was 28 why would the cert say 29?
If he married on 3/3/1926 he would have been 29 (his 30th Birthday would have been the 23rd March 1926).

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 6 Sep 2009 23:04

See Keith

I knew my brain was fried...

He might have put 29 as his birthday was close?

Tracey x

Keith

Keith Report 6 Sep 2009 23:08

Another snippet of info that I am not sure whether it helps is that I know he was in jail for 6 months or so in 1928 or 1929 in the Nottingham area.
If I could find anything about this would I likely get any more data (confirmationm of his date of birth perhaps?)

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 6 Sep 2009 23:09

It seems like saddler was a family trade. If you search the 1881 for Watson, occupation saddler, there are quite a few, and in particular quite a few in Lincolnshire, but also several in Nottinghamshire.

I poked away at them but couldn't see one with a son Fred*. Your Frederick would have had to be born by 1881 ...




JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 6 Sep 2009 23:11

Wait, here's an interesting one in 1881.

Name: Trafford Watson
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A.
Where born: Goulceby, Lincoln, England

> Occupation: Saddler

Civil parish: Scopwick
County/Island: Lincolnshire

Trafford Watson 44
Mary A. Watson 39
Trafford Watson 15
William C. Watson 14
Tabitha Watson 12
> Frederick Watson 11 - born Scopwick, Lincoln, c1870
Annie L. Watson 10
Rose Watson 9
Tom E. Watson 5
Ebenezar Watson 4

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 6 Sep 2009 23:13

But in 1901 that Frederick isn't married:

Trafford Watson 62 - Saddler and horse collar maker
Mary A Watson 56
Frederick G Watson 29 - saddler and horse collar maker
Florence E Watson 23

WayneTracey

WayneTracey Report 6 Sep 2009 23:15

Janey

I've just been looking at a Trafford Watson who came up on a 1911 search...George is a G Frederick:-(

HOUSEHOLD WATSON TRAFFORD M 1865 46 Lincoln Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD WATSON GEORGE FREDERICK M 1898 13 Lincoln Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD WATSON HARRY CURTIS M 1900 11 Lincoln Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD WATSON HILDA MARY F 1905 6 Lincoln Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD WATSON MARY F 1864 47 Lincoln Lincolnshire
HOUSEHOLD WATSON SARAH JANE F 1894 17 Lincoln Lincolnshire


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