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Becky,

Can we have the other detail from the wedding cert please.......... ages, occupations, addresses, fathers + occupations, also witnesses.

Every detail helps.

Dea x

oh ok yeah no problem, 3 july 1899 william pearman 22 and martha riley 24 he was a railway porter, living at bramfhall road, his dad was william pearman a pensioner and her dad was stephen riley labourer, witnesss was H ballan and a M ballan was married in liverpool
regards bex

is this Stephen and Margaret in 1861?

1861 England Census
Name: Stephen Riley
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cavan, Ireland

Civil parish: Great Crosby
Ecclesiastical parish: Sephton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Crosby
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 183
Household Members: Name Age
Stephen Riley 38
Margaret Riley 25
Lawrence Riley 4




Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 2725; Folio: 55; Page: 44; GSU roll: 543019.


there's a possible marriage in Liverpool

Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)
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Forster Margaret Liverpool 8b 61
REILLEY Stephen Liverpool 8b 61

1851 Stephen lodging in great crosby District 1a page 35.
1851 margaret Foster born 1833 in cavan ireland with parents James and Jane in Great crosby district 1a page 41 so pretty close to Stephen.

Maryb

yes i think thats them in 1861, havent found the births of the other children as yet
regards bex

oh wow yes that is pretty close, thats looking very helpful, in fact u all have.
regards bex

here's Stephen's death, which maybe the reason why Stephen isn't Martha's father !?

Deaths Sep 1871 (>99%)
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Riley Stephen 49 W. Derby 8b 382

birth of first born Lawrence -


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Births Mar 1857 (>99%)
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Reilly Lawrence W Derby 8b 377

oh now that has thrown me even more
regards bex

so if we are rite and i no that 1 of these guys are her siblings i could get there certificate which cd lead me to her mothers maiden name, althought thanks to u guys it could be foster

thanku
bex

Margaret had son Stephen 1872/3 he married 1899 A/M/J in west derby to Bessie melrose Young.
So would he not be Stephen's son either,seems strange if she had son to someone else but called it after her dead husband.
Unless she was pregnant when he died.

Maryb

oh yes that is strange, but thanku
regards bex

if stephen isnt marthas or stephens father, i wonder who is? becoz this bith certificate i have has a diffrent mother 2, im pretty sure marrige certificate is rite, it must be there cant be many marriges of a william pearman and martha riley. and this does say father is stephen riley, blimey what a puzzle all i wanted ther birth certificate for was to find mothers name, as they were irish i dint no were to look.
regards bex

Is this the people who had Martha on the certificate you have.
1881 John born Liverpool a dock porter
Rebecca wife.
John son 16
Mary 10
Martha 6
William a few months
They were at 15,Court 1 house Bostock Street .
I think its just a case of you having the wrong birth certificate for Martha.

Maryb.

yes there the people, i think u are right, but un sure why i cant find birth for her, may look for siblings see if i have any luck there.
regards
bex

Just want to quickly say thankyou for everyones help, on this family its very much appreciated
thanku regards bex