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Roy, I think you have the clincher in the marriage record Viv posted for Alfred "Rabbib" and Gertrude Bartlett. (If you want to push your luck, you can get her to view that image -- the original images can be viewed at Ancestry, and Ontario marriage records contain the spouses' ages, places of birth and parents' names.)


Father Name: John Rabbib
Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin


That's from the Ontario marriage record.

The parents of John William and Alfred Frederick, per the English marriage record I posted, were John Rabbit and Elizabeth Duffin, as I posted on page 2 - 1856 Birmingham.

As we say in the Latin biz: quod erat demonstratum.

The thing we wanted to prove. ;)

Well Roy..
They do say that if you want a job done well

Get a woman to do it,
or in this a case a few women.....

Happy hunting.

Hi Janey , Vivienne , Rose & Somerset Girl.

Many thanks for this extra information.

It certainly suggests to me that Ada + John William Rabbit settled in Canada after joining Alfred Frederick Rabbit & his family.

I have also noticed that two of Alfred's children share the names of Alfred + John's siblings ( Agnes + Albert ).

.Possible coincidence of course, but i think it puts beyond doubt that these are the correct Rabbit family ( although Alfred seems to have "lost" five years from his age , having been born in 1870 ! ).

As for John Rabbit becoming William Rabbit i shall assume that he was known as William because his father was also John Rabbit,so i have no worries with the name change.

So i would just like to say again a big thankyou to everyone who has added new info. today.

( I have just discovered this new added info. after spending the last hour researching background on the Rabbit family ) .

Regards

Roy

Me, I don't want nuthin! ;)


There we are:

Father Name: John Rabbib
Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin

QED.

Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924
about Alfred F Rabbib
Name: Alfred F Rabbib
Birth Place: Bermingham Eng
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Father Name: John Rabbib
Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin
Spouse Name: Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Spouse's Age: 23
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Spouse Birth Place: York Eng
Spouse Father Name: Fredk Bartlett
Spouse Mother Name: Elizth Downs
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1906
Marriage Place: Wentworth
Marriage County: Wentworth
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_131

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Ontario, Canada Marriages, 1857-1924
about Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Name: Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Birth Place: York Eng
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Father Name: Fredk Bartlett
Mother Name: Elizth Downs
Spouse Name: Alfred F Rabbib
Spouse's Age: 31
Spouse Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Spouse Birth Place: Bermingham Eng
Spouse Father Name: John Rabbib
Spouse Mother Name: Elizabeth Duffin
Marriage Date: 20 Dec 1906
Marriage Place: Wentworth
Marriage County: Wentworth
Family History Library Microfilm: MS932_131
Source: Indexed by: Ancestry.com

So you want the Ontario marriage details?

Roy, if you want to see the 1911, they are under Rabbit, I was just searching for John, I guess!

Rabbit Alfred M Head M Oct 1873 37
Rabbit Gertrude F Wife M Jan 1883 28
Rabbit John M Son S Jun 1907 3
Rabbit Agnes F Daughter S Aug 1910 9/12
Bartlett Frederick M Father-in-law W Apr 1838 73
Rabbit William M Brother M Jan 1875 36
Rabbit Ada F Sister-in-law M May 1876 35


http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp

search in Ontario for Rabbit and that household is the only result. You can click on the page number (48) and then on "split view" to see the actual image -- which will be a crappy copy of an almost illegible original, if it's true to form. ;)


SomersetGirl - I know! I seldom read a thread once it's got past two pages; my eyes boggle and my brain says 'stop!' ;)

I had those already on the previous page. ;)

I think they got discounted. ?


Note - date of immigration in 1911 Cdn census is 1910.

Good one, Rose, I agree with you. I was on my way home and had tried automatedgenealogy but not Ancestry -- AG doesn't allow for fuzzy searches or non-surname searches so missed the "B" mistranscription.

Checked Ontario white pages and there are two current Rabbitt listings, not close to Hamilton, but there would have been mobility in a century. And a Rabbit listing in the Toronto area, with others in northern Ontario.

Here's the Ontario marriage -- I can't get details:

Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
year date
Alfred F Rabbib
Wentworth County (correct for Hamilton)


The record/image should give both of Alfred's parents' names.


Parents' marriage (John and Elizabeth aged 45 on 1881 census):

Marriages Sep 1856
DUFFIN Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 142
RABBIT John Birmingham 6d 142

for checking Ontario marriage.

This confirms his brother's middle name:

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about Albert Rabbit
Name: Albert Rabbit
Date of Birth: 23 Dec 1908
Gender: Male
Birth County: Wentworth
Father's Name: Alfred Fredrick Rabbit
Mother's Name: Gertrude Ethel Bartlett
Roll Number: VRBCAN1908_102549

Ontario, Canada Births, 1869-1909
about John Edwin Rabbitt
Name: John Edwin Rabbitt
Date of Birth: 11 Jun 1907
Gender: Male
Father's Name: Alfred Rabbitt
Mother's Name: Gertrude Bartlet
Roll Number: MS929_189

Rose

I think this is your John going by his middle name. He did have an older brother called Alfred Frederick born 1870.

Rose

The one on the 1911 passenger list is joining her husband William in Hamilton Ontario.

Here they are in 1911:

1911 Census of Canada
about William Babbit
Name: William Babbit
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 36
Birth Date: Jan 1875
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Immigration Year: 1910
Tribal: English
Province: Ontario
District: Hamilton East
District Number: 77
Sub-District Number: 20
Place of Habitation: 95 Niagara
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Rabbit 37
Gertrude Rabbit 28
John Rabbit 3
Agnes Rabbit 9/12
Frederick Barttett 73 FIL
William Babbit 36
Ada Babbit 35

Rose

Unfortunately Cdn records aren't available for the period needed.

Thought I'd check the Ontario deaths to 1934 and marriages to 1924, but nothing there.

Just thought I would report that when I searched for marriages for surname RABB*T, I for some reason got a result (spouse not rabb*t) for a bride named Ellen Furry.

Ancestry being cute? ;)

Janey & Vivienne

Thankyou both very much for your help with this tonight--it is very much appreciated.

It certainly seems to suggest that the Rabbit's went to Canada & hopefully made a good life for themselves there.

Regards

Roy

Another one for the end of October when 1911 goes to subs I think.

Thats not them on the 1904 passage I dont think any way.

John J RABBIT
Date of departure: 10 August 1904
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth: 1882 (calculated from age)
Age: 22
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Clerk
Passenger recorded on: Page 21 of 26





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The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -

Mrs A RABBIT Page 21 of 26 View transcript

Dont know who is with her,it wont let me see the image,Im working on it.

But there is this on Anc,,,,shes off to join her husband and travelling alone.

Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
about Ada Rabbitt
Name: Ada Rabbitt
Gender: Female
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Arrival: 26 May 1911
Vessel: Corsican
Search Ship Database: View the 'Corsican' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: Quebec
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Roll: T-4776

But that makes it that she should have been on english 1911?

So why isn't FMP telling YOU "Year of departure must be numeric"?

I'm just a non-paying freeloader, I guess.

I did check the 1911 Canadian census. No joy. And no deaths in NSW.


Oh, another leapfrog post. Congrats. Who's with her??


Hahaha. I can slip it in with an edit.

RABBIT A Adult F 1904 Liverpool USA New York
RABBIT John J 1882 M 1904 Liverpool USA New York
RABBIT Owen 1877 M 1904 Liverpool USA New York


Well that's not right, is it?

Would you adam and eve it?
No image available for this one,I tell you FMP isnt worth the money like Ancestry,thank Evans I only went for 6 months.
Going to check on Ancestry for it now.

passenger transcript details
Name: Mrs A RABBIT
Date of departure: 10 August 1904
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: New York, USA
Passenger destination: New York, USA

Date of Birth:
Age: Adult
Marital status: Married
Sex: Female
Occupation: Wife
Passenger recorded on: Page 21 of 26

Thats where I was,none to suit and I have looked at all the first 12 possible images so far.
Between 1903 and 1911 that is.

Will give it one more go.