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unfortunately the years you want for baptisms are not transcribed but these are from igi (extracted records)

JAMES SAMUEL SHAW
Christening: 20 APR 1840 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH SHAW
Mother: SARAH

JOHN SHAW
Christening: 29 JAN 1838 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH SHAW Family
Mother: SARAH

Cant tell you for sure ,but,there is no Margaret on 1851 and she was 12 in 1861 so should be there,and there is no Mary ann in 1861 and she should be there,unless she died of course.
But that still does not explain where margaret came from on 1861,so I would think that they are the same and someone misheard a name some where.

Thanks Ann Sarah would only have been about 15/16 because she had John at around 17

pre civil registration marriage

Marriage: 19 Jun 1837 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Joseph Shaw - (X), Shipwright of This Parish
Sarah Hampson - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: Philip Kelly; Ellen Burkey, (X)
Married by Banns by: Oliver Ormerod A M Curate
Register: Marriage 1836 - 1837, Page 206, Entry 616
Source: LDS Film 93919

Thanks Viv I think my Dad can open his wallet as they're his more than mine lol.
I was just wondering though are Mary Ann 1851 and Margaret 1861 probably the same person.

Thanks Julie

I would not rely on other peoples trees for info.
You really need to get james or Johns birth for proof positive I think.Unless they have a copy of one of the childrens certs to share with you.
viv

Viv there is a Samuel Wood Shaw on peoples trees on here with parents Joseph and Sarah Hampson all the other children are the same as mine

Thanks Julie

I would look into that marriage posted by Margaret.

And this is more likely for Samuel going on census age as Joseph seemed to have a good grip on what ages the kids were.

Births Mar 1853 (>99%)
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Shaw Samuel W.Derby 8b 231

viv

Samuel w shaw from 1861 census???

Births Dec 1851 (>99%)
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SHAW Samuel Wood West Derby 20 1053



Looking at the enumerators writting on 1861 I am not so sure that should be a W for Samuel.

I have got a couple that seemed to have died during or not long after childbirth.Joseph must've been made of strong stuff because he was 81 when he died and is buried with his daughter in law and great grandchild.
Thanks
Julie

Oh it happens more often than I care to admit, Viv.

Any chance it could be this Sarah?

SHAW, Joseph Marriage
Wife: Sarah MARSDEN
Marriage Date: 22 Aug 1836 Recorded in: Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Collection: St Chad
Source: FHL Film Dates: 1832 - 1847

Not like you Margaret,not seen you be wrong before!

Sorry, Julie, I had the wrong family in 1851, Viv's got the right one,

Sarah did die,prob with birth of Samuel?
And it looks as though Mary ann has now become Margaret!


1861 England Census
about Joseph Shaw
Name: Joseph Shaw
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 323
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Shaw 46 <<<<<<widower
James Shaw 19
Sarah Shaw 15
Margaret Shaw 12
Ellen Shaw 10
Samuel W Shaw 8

Thanks Viv they're mine by the looks of it

1851 England Census
about James Shaw
Name: James Shaw
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joheph
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool

Civil parish: Toxteth Park
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 1ae
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Joheph Shaw 34 <<<shipwright,same as 41
Sarah Shaw 30
John Shaw 13
James Shaw 10
Sarah Shaw 7
Mary Ann Shaw 5
Ellen Shaw 1
Robt Pierce 25

Hi Margaret Sarah was only born in 1821 so I dont think Mary Ann is hers

Viv I have a Samuel W who was 8 in the 1861 census but mother Sarah must've died

Is it the same family on the 1851 census who have an older daughter Mary Ann born 1831? If so could she be a daughter of Sarah born before she married?