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Hi Simon,
Yes,'tis I !! Thanksgiving was wonderful,thanks. Just a little too much of everything. I think I'm still recovering.

I'm almost afraid to ask about the ROCHFORDs,but fire away. Nothing to lose...

Best,
Maureen

Hi Maureen, i did not notice it was you!

How did thanks giving go, it's me the Whittaker Thorpe Whittaker / DONLEY pest!!

Hope you had a fab time.

The Holland side is a little better, but i am stuck with one of my Rochfords, do you fancy a chalange!!

Speak soon

Simon.

Hi Maureen.

Perfect, that looks like them to me, thank you so much.

Simon.

1851 census transcription details for: North Gate

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2346 Folio: 41 Page: 15


Reg. District: Doncaster Sub District: Tickhill
Parish: Enum. District: 2B
Ecclesiastical District: York City/Municipal Borough:
Address: North Gate
County: Yorkshire (West riding)
CROFTS, William Head Married M 50 1801 Servant
Bawtry
Yorkshire
CROFTS, Martha Wife Married F 44 1807
Laughton
Yorkshire
CROFTS, Eliza Daughter Unmarried F 16 1835 Scholar
St Marylebone
London
CROFTS, Emma Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Scholar
Westminster St Margrats

I can't read the image on this one at all but suspect it may be them:
1841 census transcription details for: Chapel Street, Great, St Margaret, Westminster

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 738 Book/Folio: 8/5 Page: 2


Reg. District: Westminster Sub District: St Margaret
Parish: St Margaret Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Westminster
Address: Chapel Street, Great, St Margaret, Westminster
County: Middlesex
SUTTON, William M 40 1801
SUTTON, Ann F 45 1796
SUTTON, George M 15 1826
HAYES, John M 55 1786 Scotland
HAYES, Ann F 40 1801 Middlesex
PENNY, Thomas M 30 1811 Middlesex
CROFT, William M 45 1796
CROFT, Matha F 65 1776
CROFT, Frances F 15 1826 Middlesex
CROFT, Eliza F 5 1836 Middlesex
CROFT, Emma F 2 1839 Middlesex
CAISEY, Joseph M 30 1811 Ireland
CAISEY, Mary F 25 1816 Middlesex
CAISEY, Joseph M 3 1838 Middlesex
CAISEY, Daniel M 1 (18 months) 1840 Middlesex
COLVILL, Rebecca F 70 1771
ASHENDER, Benjamin M 35 1806
ASHENDER, Eliza F 35 1806
ASHENDER, Rosina F 5 1836


Maureen

Hi to All,

Can anyone help with this.

William Holland shown early on in this thread married a Frances Crofts from middlesex, i am trying to find her PAST.

I have the marriage cert and it reads:

Married ; 14th August 1848.
William Holland age 24. Cutler. Father Thomas Holland, Cutler.
Frances Crofts age 22. no given occupation.Father William Crofts, Servant.
Residance Masbro, Rotherham.

I know that Frances died 1858 ish in Sheffield, what i cant find out is anything about her before her marriage to William Holland in 1848.

Any Help would be great.

As ever kind regards Simon.

Hi Dea,

I managed to view the sheffield web site and found a few very interesting things, i am also using the other site you mentioned free bmd very good.

Thank you for your help hope we speak soon.

Simon xx

Hi Dea.

Will do, i'll be back in a flash!!!

Simon.

I can't remember having to register but it was a while ago.

Try again and if you can't get in or don't get a response in 24 hours, get back to me!!

Dea x

Hi Dea.

I have registered but it takes 24hrs to be accepted, am i doing it wrong!!

How did you find it!!

Thank you Simon xx

You are welcome Simon,

Let me know how you get on with that Sheffield website!!

Dea x

Dear Julie, Dea and MaureeninNY.

Thank you very much for all your help on this.

Hope to speak again.

Simon Holland.

I don't know why but I find it impossible to copy + paste info from this site but you will find it very useful.

It has details on your family, including Thomas's burial at Burngreave Cemetery in 1864 - wife Hannah purchased the plot. - LOADS of info for the Sheffield area !¬

Anyway, - address is:

http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/

Hope you find it useful.

Dea x

Julie thank you so much as ever!

Kind regards Simon

And i will leave you a present

On this site below you'll be able to find the marriages all you need to do is put in the 1st & surname of the men & Just the spouses 1st names

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

1891 for Robert Claras Brother And ocupation was the same as Dads

Robert Holland
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Ecclesall Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Eldon Street
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Holland 26
Alice Holland 25
Martha A Holland 3
Alice Holland 1
Robert Holland 3/12
Jasper Glaves 20
Emily Glaves 20
Emily Glaves 8/12


The Glaves Family are Borders......

Do tread carefully,as it looks to me as though William was "married" twice:
1851 Ancestry
Name: William Holland
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members:
Name Age
William Holland 26
Frances Holland 24
Ann E Holland 4
Walter Holland 1 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2342; Folio: 386; Page: 64;

Maureen

Have changed this post as it was the wrong John

This is the right one Occupation is the same as Dads

1891

John Holland
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Backmoor
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Ecclesall Bierlow
Sub-registration district: Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Holland 27
Elizabeth Holland 23
James H Holland 20
John Holland 5/12

William ( Claras brother ) this is deffo him as his occupation is the same as his dads

1881

William Holland
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: CT 7 Under 2 Neepsend Lane
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Table Knife Cutler

Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Holland 25
Sarah Holland 26
William Holland 3
Alfred Holland 1


Theres 2 possible for his marriage

i'll see what i can find

I think the Annice Eliza Holland on the 1861 is Ann Eliza as i could't see a birth for an Annice i also think the image is Annie

Julie, thats fantastic, thank you, i now need to do the same on the others, i darn't ask!

I got the Thomas wrong sorry, just shows how good you are!

You have helped me out a lot on this site and thank you.

Simon.