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Hi,

William & Isabella are my 3x gr. grandparents. Would love to make contact re the Stevenson Family. I have sent a pm as this post is rather old.

Hopefully someone will read.

Many thanks. :-)

Hi Raymond welcome to the boards

Did you notice this post dates back to 2009? Jean may not be checking for replies now, but you could send a private message by clicking on her name....if her email address is still the same she will receive it

Hi.

Just noticed your post, and I am a Cowan and Miller researcher for the Stirling area (St Ninians). I think that the name of one of your ancestors is a little out - I have the details as follows:-

Nicol Miller b 23/3/1782 - m *Janet Cowie 28/11/1802

Cowie was also a name which crossed with prior generations of Miller.

Auchenbowie was the home of the Millers and the Cowies

Hope this helps, however, if you have something which says that Nicol's wife was a Cowan, then I would be very interested to hear from you.

Ray Cowan
Sydney, Australia

PS. Nicol's brother James married Ann Cowan and another brother, John, married Elizabeth Cowan (not directly related to Ann)

Good Evening Jean,
It may well be your Hamilton Stevenson on the 1841 Census as I found a death on scotlandspeople tonight for a Hamilton Stevenson died 1853
but not in Stirling, it was in St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh.
If it is her, she would have been 95 years old!!! Maybe she eventually went to St.Cuthberts as her parents married there, she may have had some of her family there. What do you think?

By the way, it didn't come up with other surname being Andrews.

Regards
Kath

Good evening Kath & Rootgatherer,

I am very impressed with your research and am so happy to know the children of Hamilton & Robert. I wonder why they are coming up as Hamilton and not Andrew. Maybe the person recording thought that it is how it should be.

I did not have Isabella (Isabel's) birth details. I did have her parents names but only from her death cert. so thank you for that.

I have quite a bit of information to update my records now.

Rootgatherer, isn't that funny about the Cowie name - you never know there might be a definite connection there.

I have had another look at the 1841 census for Hamilton Stevenson and I think it is my Hamilton, living on her own and recorded as Independent under occupation. She is recorded as 79 so the dates would fit. Seems a bit strange living on her own then. More digging required there and not enough time in the day.

Must close this evening as my daughter, age 11, back from her Halloween Party.

Goodnight for now. (Kath try to get some sleep tonight!!)

Jean

Jean

Good Morning Jean and Kath

Isn't this turning out just fine! What a wonderful name Hamilton Andrew - superb. As you say Jean, we are lucky that in Scotland statutory certificates give us so much detail it makes getting back to the late 1700s a bit easier and with a little more certainty.

It is interesting the Cowie connection - my husband's Great Great Great Great Grandfather's second wife was a Cowie and he too was born in St. Ninians in Stirling!! Small world or what?

Good Morning Jean,
I do not sleep well so I while away the hours on research, just incase you were wondering why I appear to be an 'Addict' !!!!

William Stevenson's parents, Robert Stevenson & Hamilton Andrew had the following children: All born St.Ninians.
BUT all coming up with the mother's christian name of Hamilton(not Andrew) on Scotlandspeople.
JEAN CHRISTENED 8/2/1784
JANET CHRISTENED 18/3/1788
ARCHIBALD CHRISTENED 8/6/1790
ROBERT CHRISTENED 8/7/1792
JAMES CHRISTENED 12/1/1797 POSS DIED 1875 BANNOCKBURN
WILLIAM CHRISTENED 29/11/1801 DIED 1863 ST. NINIANS

I have confirmed Isabella Millers birth on SP (don't know if you have already done that) BUT it's coming up as ISABEL, not Isabella.
Parents, Nichol Miller & Janet Cowie who married 28/11/1802 St. Ninians.

Regards
Kath

Hi Kath & Rootgatherer,

I am signing off tonight now. It is all terribly exciting especially as the people we are searching were just ordinary people. How fortunate we are that the Scots were so good at recording such events even those days.

Will keep you posted.

Goodnight.

Jean

Hi Jean,
I am so pleased that you have now found the correct William Stevenson.
Found these EXTRACTED entries but not confirmed on SP yet.


HAMILTON ANDREW Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 15 JAN 1758 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: GEORGE ANDREW Family
Mother: JEAN HAMILTON




ISABEL MILLER Pedigree
Female


Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 23 OCT 1803 Saint Ninians, Stirling, Scotland

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: NICHOL MILLER Family
Mother: JANET COWIE


Perhaps we'll get a bit further back for you now Jean & Rootgatherer has been a huge help. I hope she will continue to keep us on the right track, she is brilliant at research.

Warmest Regards & Goodnight
Kath

Hi,

I am sorry that I have taken so long to get back to you today but I just read your postings when I returned from work. Thank you so much for all the info. I was so excited when I saw that William's death certificate had been found, I really cannot understand why I missed it.

Anyway I thought that I would download it from scotlandspeople before getting back to you. It is definitely the William, I was seeking and it states that he was married to Isabella Miller and that he was an Ag. Labourer. Death was notified by his son William Stevenson.

His father was Robert Stevenson Coalminer and his mother was Hamilton Stevenson nee Andrew.

Now at first I thought that Hamilton could not be her first name but it is, how extraordinary is that?

I then tried to find their marriage and lo and behold I found it at St. Ninian's on 31/08/1783. This means that William probably was born at St. Ninians's but I wonder why St. George's Glasgow was recorded on his marriage details. Perhaps he was just working through there then.

I have also had a look for Hamilton's death details. Thought it might be easy with such a name but nothing matches exactly. There is a Hamilton Stevenson in the 1841 Census so this could be her. She is listed as living in Jamaica Street, St. Stephens, Edinburgh age 79.

That is as much as I have had time for so far this evening but thought that as you had both been so helpful I should share this information asap.

Many,many thanks. I will keep you updated onw finds.

Jean

Hi Jean,
If William & Isabella are buried in St.Ninian's you can contact this address.

St. Ninians New Churchyard Kirk Wynd, off Main Street (B8051), St. Ninians, Stirling Stirlingshire NS797916
Same address for the Old churchyard.
From
www.memento-mori.co.uk/LOCATION%20INDEX.pdf

Kath

Superb Kath!!

That looks really hopeful. If Jean looks at that death and comes back with the details from it we may get further back.

I had wondered if William's age had been calculated from the 1841 census initially (you know the "rounding down" thing but his age didn't seem to be in 1841. He has been fairly consistent with his age on the census. It is always possible that his parish of birth was St. George in Glasgow but by the time of the 1841 census he had maybe lived in St. Ninians for so long that he considered that his parish of birth. There are certainly a few Stevensons in St. Ninians.

When Jean comes back, we'll see if we can get any further back. From my own experience though, I find it very difficult to get back much further than than the late 1700s. At, least with any certainty. But then my family didn't seem to own any land, they all seemed to be ploughmen, shepherds and Ag. Labs!!

From Scotlandspeople.

WILLIAM STEVENSON B. 1802 DEATH 1863 ST. NINIAN'S STIRLING AGED 61.


Kath

Jean - I'm sure that you have all these census but it is just to show you my line of thinking.

In 1871 Isabella Stevenson is with her daughter Isabella and son-in-law John Campbell but I don't see William. Can't be sure if he is deceased or Isabella is just visiting her daughter.

Name: Isabella Stevenson
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relationship: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: St.Ninians, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 488
Registration district: St Ninians
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Sauchie Rd No 17
ED: 15
Household schedule number: 18
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_85
Household Members: Name Age
John Campbell 30
Isabella Campbell 25
John Campbell 4
Isabella Campbell 2
Isabella Stevenson 67



By 1881 Isabella is back at the same address as she has lived in since before 1841


Name: Isabella Stevenson
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1804
Relationship: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: St Ninians, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 488/1
Registration district: St Ninians
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Auchenbowie
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_139
Household Members: Name Age
John Campbell 39
Isabella Campbell 34
John Campbell 14
Isabella Campbell 12
Mary Campbell 9
Jane Campbell 6
Janet Campbell 3
Ann Campbell 11 Mo
Isabella Stevenson 77


Perhaps she was at the different address as her daughter was pregnant/ due to give birth?


In 1871 the only William Stevenson in the correct area and year of birth that is living alone is the chappie that was Carpet Weaver who was married to Euphemia.


So it looks like your William died between 1861 and 1871. Remember that a death may not necessarily be registered in the area that the deceased lived. It is often registered in the area that the informant lived or the area where the death took place. So, William may have died, for example in the Poorhouse (which may have been in Falkirk or Stirling or some such place) or he may have been at the home of some of his children etc. So, if you have access to the census or you have his children on the census records after they left the parental home look at those areas. If you have to pay to search and view the census for all the children come back and let me know and I will look for them.

Do you know where Isabella is buried? William may be in the same lair. If there is no headstone, then the cemetery department of the local council may hold the records and as you have a date of death for Isabella they may be able to tell you when and who is interred in the lair. Alternately your local library may hold the books of Monumental inscriptions for Stirlingshire (I think there is more than 1). If you live in Central Scotland then a trip to the Mitchell Library in Glasgow may help as I know that they have the Monumental Inscriptions for Stirlingshire. I am pretty sure that Falkirk library also have these. I have been in both of these libraries on a Saturday, if that helps but it was a couple of years ago for Falkirk so perhaps best to check that they still open on Saturdays.

Hi Roothgather, so pleased you can help!!!
Hi Jean,

The thing is, Jean's 1st post states William Stevenson (Senior) was born in 1796 poss St. George's Glasgow.

If this is him on 1841, he wasn't born until 1800/1802 so I have been looking for the wrong years to find his parents & where born etc...

As I said earlier, I am missing something somewhere because I cannot find the info on SP. Maybe I'm having a bad day!!!

Same in 1861 But as he is still alive then, his death should be available on Scotlandspeople and will hopefully give his parents names.

Name: William Stevenson
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: St Ninians, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 488
Registration district: Auchenbowie
Civil parish: St Ninians
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Cragebrid R Auchenbowie
Occupation: Labourer
ED: 16
Household schedule number: 63
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1861_65
Household Members: Name Age
William Stevenson 58
Isabella Stevenson 57
David M Stevenson 27
Alexander Stevenson 22
Andrew Stevenson 18
Isabella Stevenson 15

In 1851 he is still claiming to be born in Stirlingshire

Name: William Stevenson
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1802
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Isabella
Gender: Male
Where born: St Ninians, Stirling
Parish Number: 488
Civil parish: St Ninians
Town: Auchenbowie
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Auchenbowie
Occupation: General Lab
ED: 16
Page: 12 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 39
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1851_103
Household Members: Name Age
William Stevenson 49
Isabella Stevenson 47
Archbold Stevenson 19
David Stevenson 17
James Stevenson 15
Alexander Stevenson 13
Andrew Stevenson 8
Isabella Stevenson 5
Elizebeth Stevenson 3

Ahha!! Found them, he is down as Wm.

Piece: SCT1841/488 Place: St Ninians -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: St Ninians Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: St Ninians
Folio: 0 Page: 3
Address: Auchinbowie



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
STEVENSON Wm M 39 Ag Labourer Stirlingshire
MILLAR Isabella F 37 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON William M 14 Coal Miner Outside Census County (1841)
STEVENSON Robt M 12 Coal Miner Stirlingshire
STEVENSON Nicol M 11 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON Archd M 9 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON David M M 7 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON Jas M 5 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON Alexr M M 2 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON Jannet H F 4m Stirlingshire



So you know that this is the correct family as they very conveniently give Isabella's maiden surname.

It's also a bit lucky that the enumerator doesn't seem to have "rounded down" the ages, so making it easier to pinpoint possible births for William.

Jean, Iam wondering, what was your William's occupation please? It should tell you on Isabella's death certificate.

Looking at Freecen (until Ancestry comes back)

This is the only William and Isabella Stevenson in Stilingshire
But that Isabella is too young even allowing for the "rounding down" of the ages in the 1841 census.

Piece: SCT1841/490 Place: Stirling -Stirlingshire Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Stirling Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Stirling
Folio: 0 Page: 2
Address: St John Street



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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
STEVENSON William M 40 Clergyman Outside Census County (1841)
STEVENSON Isabella F 30 Outside Census County (1841)
STEVENSON William M 9 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON John M 7 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON James M 5 Stirlingshire
STEVENSON Isabella F 1 Stirlingshire
COCHRANE Isabella F 25 Female Servant Stirlingshire

Good morning Jean / Kath

I have been watching here and will have a look on Ancestry (when it comes back online). I'm just wondering about the ages of the 2 Williams and Isabellas. I'll come back after I have a look at the census.