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yep...Ada is my Nan, but, I dont know if she had any siblings or not - she dies when I was tiny and my parents have both passed away - so no-one to ask Im afraid.

I may have to get the birth cert for her.............

this is the closest to Ada I can find in 1901 but I don't have access to look at details

Ada E Workman name,
name abt 1899 city, Gloucestershire, England relation city, Gloucestershire

as Joseph jnr was born in Mold this is presumably his birth reg

Births Sep 1873 (>99%)
WORKMAN Joseph Holywell 11b 267

for ref Ada's marriage

Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
Nash James Workman Dursley 6a 476
Workman Ada L Nash Dursley 6a 476

from lancs bmd (which obligigly give mother's maiden name if born in Chorley)

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
WORKMAN Blanche Chorley HOSEGOOD

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1871
WORKMAN Alice Maud Chorley Preston HOSEGOOD

so Joseph Workman senior (the minister) married Mary Hosegood

Marriages Sep 1865 (>99%)
Workman Joseph Williton 5c 541 (Somerset)

Mary is missing from this transcription as she has been mistranscribed as p 341

You havn`t yet said wether Ada Lily had any siblings or not, and as shes your grandmother presumably you would know if she was an only child...... tracing any siblings may lead to Ada..........

.As Joseph is on his own in 1901 and 1911 would it be possible that they had seperated/divorced and Mary and Ada were in fact listed under a different surname?....maybe even Mary had remarried...?

I still think your first thing is to order Ada Lilys birth cert...... as this is your direct line you don`t want to be tracing back on the wrong line...


Nicky

As I dont yet have Ada's birth cert. and therefore I dont know for a fact that whether her parents were married or not, but I do know that her dad was Joseph Workman ( a dentist ) and that her birt name is Ada Lily Workman born 1899 - I have just had a thought............

If we have found the correct Jospeh Workman in London in the 1901 & 1911 census'.............where was Ada ? and Ada's mum?

Surely, if Ada was not with her dad, she would be somewhere else in 1901 & 1911............we still havent found her though?

( and she couldnt have been with that family in Birmingham- as they were 'workmans; and their Ada was shown as a daughter of the head ! )
So, if thats not here.....where is she

Plus the other 'fact' that I have is her marriage in Dursley.........
Given that she was also born in Dursley..........it is quite probable, that she lived in Dursley as she was growing up?

Another fact that I have is that she ended her life living in Pontypridd, S.Wales.

Where is Ada Workman ( aged 1 / 2 ) in the 1901 census?
Where is Ada Workman( aged 11 /12 ) in the 1911 census?

A mystery.......

Thanks Rootgatherer

You are right, I know that Ada Workmans father was a dentist ( and that his father was a minister ) - so the Ada that you have found in Birmingham, ( father is an Engine Importer) cannot be the correct Ada.


Also, even if my relative got the name Mary as her mother, wrong, Ada is definately the daughter of Joseph Workman and her birth name is
Ada WORKMAN ( as here) and she was born in Dursley:
Births Dec 1899
Workman Ada Lily Dursley 6a 279

This is Ada's dad - Joseph Workman ( Jnr) in:
1881 Census: In South Petherton, Somerset
Joseph WORKMAN Head M Male 43 Dursley, Gloucester, England Wesleyn Minister
Mary WORKMAN Wife M Female 43 Williton, Somerset, England
Edith WORKMAN Daur Female 13 Crewe, Cheshire, England Scholar
Blanche WORKMAN Daur Female 11 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice Maud WORKMAN Daur Female 9 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar

Joseph WORKMAN Son Male 7 Mold, Flint, Wales Scholar

Henrietta GRANGER Serv U Female 26 Sth Petherton, Somerset, England General Servant Domestic
Dwelling Palmer Street
Census Place South Petherton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341575
Public Records Office Ref RG11 Piece / Folio 2390 / 48 Page Number 1

And in the 1891 Census : 417 Elmsley Western Super Mare
WORKMAN, Joseph Head Widower M 53 1838 Retired Wesleyan Minister Dursley Gloucs
WORKMAN, Mary E Daughter Single F 24 1867
Crewe Cheshire VIEW
WORKMAN, Edith J Daughter Single F 23 1868
Crewe Cheshire VIEW

WORKMAN, Joseph Son M 17 1874 Dental Student Mold Flintshire

ARLIDGE, Emma Servant Single F 26 1865 Domestic Servant Banbury Oxfordshire VIEW number: RG12 Piece: 1921 Folio: 67 Page: 65
Registration District: Axbridge Sub District:
Weston Super Mare EnumerationDistrict:
16 Ecclesiastical Parish: Christchurch
Civil Parish: Weston Super Mare Municipal Borough:
Elmsley, Boulevard, Weston Super Mare County:
Somersetshire
living 417 Elmsley Western Super Mare

Ada was my Nan........

The only Ada L Workman born aroud the correct time in 1901 census is the same one as found in 1911 census

Name: Ada L Workman
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Sydney
Mother's Name: Rebecca
Gender: Female
Where born: Smethwick, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Smethwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 63 Bridge Street


Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Harborne
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Sydney Workman 29 Engine Importer b. Birmingham
Rebecca Workman 25 b. Birmingham
Arthur E Workman 5
Ada L Workman 2
Alice F Workman 4 months [Actual image is Alice R]


Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2821; Folio: 194; Page: 23.


So this looks like the births for those two girls


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1900 (>99%)
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Workman Alice Rebecca King's N. 6c 489


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Workman Ada Lilian King's N. 6c 458


So this rules out that Ada L as being your Ada.

Gillian

You say
"I need to find the marriage between Joseph & Mary...... ( I know that they would have married , and Ada HAS the surname Workman"

With all due respect - you only know what you have been told. You have no proof of the facts if you don't have Ada's birth certificate.

What is Your relationship to Ada please?

Does Ada's Grandaughter have proof that Ada's parents married?

If you know that
Births Dec 1899
Workman Ada Lily Dursley 6a 279
is your Ada's birth then you need to buy the certificate.

Have you found her on the 1911 census? It has been shown that there is another Ada living with different Workman parents but so far there has been no Ada (1899) found either in 1901 or 1911 living with parents Joseph and Mary.

You need to buy that birth certificate to confirm the names of Ada's parents.

Hi Folks

Many thanks for your help.

I know that Ada Lily Workmasn , was BORN in Dursley, Glos & MARRIED in Dursley Glos.

Births Dec 1899
Workman Ada Lily Dursley 6a 279

Married in Weslyan Memorial Church, Gloucs.29.03.1919
( this info came, verbally, from Ada's granddaughter ).

I know that Joseph Workman ( born 1874) was her dad & that he was a dentist ( and the son of a Minister).

I was told ( by Ada's grandaughter) that Adas mother was called Mary.

I need to find the marriage between Joseph & Mary...... ( I know that they would have married , and Ada HAS the surname Workman.

Did Ada have any brothers and sisters? was Ada the eldest?

Prehaps we could find them in 1911...might lead to their mother.


Nicky

Also wondering why you think they would have gone back to Dursley as they hadn't lived there for many years but Joseph the minister was born there.

Christine

1911 Census

Searched for a Joseph Workman b. 1874 +/- 1 yr, occupation Dental Surgeon

HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN JOSEPH M 1874 37 St George London

There doesn't appear to be any other Workmans in the same household.

I would have a look at that census if I were you. How can you be sure that he married please? Are you certain that he had children? Could the Joseph that was the father of Ada Lily be another Joseph - perhaps a cousin of your Joseph?

As said previously you really need the birth cert for Ada Lily.

How do you know that Joseph and Mary are the parents if you don't have the cert.

Christine

This is the only Ada L. of the correct age in 1911 ...here she is with her family

HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ADA LILLIAN F 1899 12 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ALICE REBECCA F 1901 10 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ANNIE F 1905 6 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN ARTHUR EARNEST M 1896 15 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN HILDA MAY F 1907 4 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN LAURA F 1902 9 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN REBECCA F 1875 36 Kings Norton Worcestershire
HOUSEHOLD WORKMAN SIDNEY WALTER M 1872 39 Kings Norton Worcestershire


Nicky

Here is the birth of the daughter of Joseph Workman & Mary (?)
Births Dec 1899
Workman Ada Lily Dursley 6a 279

I therefore assumed that Joseph & Marys marriage would have likely taken place a year earlier c 1898.

I know that Josephs father ( also called Joseph) was a Weslyan Church Minister from Dursley (but moved around a lot )
I know that Joseph was a dentist.
In 1901 census - Joseph is away, training in London at Dentist School.
I assumed that he had said he was single - as he was 'on his own' in London at the time of the Census.

This is Joseph as a child with his parents & siblings in :
1881 Census: In South Petherton, Somerset
Joseph WORKMAN Head M Male 43 Dursley, Gloucester, England Wesleyn Minister
Mary WORKMAN Wife M Female 43 Williton, Somerset, England
Edith WORKMAN Daur Female 13 Crewe, Cheshire, England Scholar
Blanche WORKMAN Daur Female 11 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar
Alice Maud WORKMAN Daur Female 9 Chorley, Lancashire, England Scholar

Joseph WORKMAN Son Male 7 Mold, Flint, Wales Scholar

Henrietta GRANGER Serv U Female 26 Sth Petherton, Somerset, England General Servant Domestic
Dwelling Palmer Street
Census Place South Petherton, Somerset, England
Family History Library Film 1341575
Public Records Office Ref RG11 Piece / Folio 2390 / 48 Page Number 1

This is the marriage possibility Glitter Baby mentioned at the beggining of the thread, why could it not be a possibility?

People married all over the place...I have quite a few in my tree who married in neither of the couples birthplace or family area......


Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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ARCHER Mary Jane Pershore 6c 595
Faizey Jenny Maria Pershore 6c 595
Faizley Jenny Maria Pershore 6c 595
JONES James Thomas Pershore 6c 595
WORKMAN Joseph Pershore 6c 595


I think you really need to get Ada Lilys birth cert. to confirm mothers maiden name.

Nicky

Joseph in 1891 for ref

1891 England Census
about Joseph Workman
Name: Joseph Workman
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Gender: Male
Where born: Mold, Flintshire, Wales

Civil parish: Weston Super Mare
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Axbridge
Sub-registration district: Weston Super Mare
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Workman 53 wid, born Dursley, Glos
Mary E Workman 24
Edith J Workman 23
Joseph Workman 17 dental student
Emma Arlidege 26


Christine

If you get the birth cert for Ada Lily, it will give you her mothers maiden name and help in tracing the marriage.

How do you know Joseph and Mary are her parents if you don't have the cert.

Christine