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It's a shame you couldn't have hung about a bit to answer some of the qusetion

Wow! amazing reply!! it is very confusing though... To make it clearer:
My nan told me her granma (my great great nan) name was Ethel Mary Haysman and that she cam from Sussex. My nans mums name(ethels daughter) is Edith Griffin born in 1906 in Edmonton. she doesnt know her grandas name though...never met him. so yea sum kind of affair is possibly correct! but any more help would be amazing :D

for your eyes only hence the delete!!

Ha Ha,,,Groan

Nope..
Kecks are lower underwear slang though and people do say they p... them with laughter!
Macs are raincoats;)

very good point mackeckie!! Hope that name is funny in the uk?

The childrens birth certs wont give Ethel Mary,s fathers name and occupation though Linda;)

a quick look at the original scan on freebmd gives ethels name as heaysman??

Marriages Sep 1895 (>99%)
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Collyer Alfred Edward Edmonton 3a 448
Heaysman Ethel Mary Edmonton 3a 448
Hills Sarah Edmonton 3a 448
Smith Alfred Edmonton 3a 448

So that is what you'd need to send for. I'd give the childrens birth certs a go first!!

maybe not, there's two of them???!!!

Name: Ellen Maria Haysman
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Hackney
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 510 (click to see others on page)

This one married either an alfred cockram or richard bremner!!

Good hunting there Linda;)

sorry on the side of the page it says married Aug 19th 1895 No 233; also just found this which may help track them down:

Name: Ellen Maria Haysman
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Spouse Name: Henry John Bowning
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Dec 1886
Parish: Saint Anne, South Lambeth
County: Middlesex
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: William Haysman
Spouse Father Name: Thomas G??Ppy Bowning

and a witness thomas alfred haysman.
Possibly a sibling for ethel?

Regards Linda :)

To track Ethel Mary Haysman back I think it would be best to get the marriage cert to Alfred Smith in 1895?
With the exact spellings as given on the refs.

No marriage showing to go with the banns and also no birth of a william Griffin in 1900/01/02 in Edmonton,no William Haysmans reged there either,but lots of little William Smiths of course.

Elsie on 1911??

Name: Ethel Rose Griffin
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 4 Feb 1903
Father's Name: Charles Edward Griffin <<decorator
Mother's Name: Ethel Mary Griffin
Parish: Saint Peter, Lower Edmonton
Borough: Enfield
County: Middlesex

27 st marys gardens.

Ooher, and I thought the victorians were so straight laced!!

Cassy

1901 England Census
about Charles E Griffin <<<<house decorator(widower)
Name: Charles E Griffin
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William E
Mother's Name: Eliza I
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, London, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 192
Household Members: Name Age
William E Griffin 63
Eliza I Griffin 60
Charles E Griffin 32
Thomas G Griffin 30
Minnie Griffin 19
Edith Watts 10
Hilda Watts 8


So maybe Ethel did run off with the fancy man after all??

The first childs cert should be interesting:

Name: Charles William G Griffin
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 474 (click to see others on page)

On the 1901 all I can see is a Charles W with a father charles e and a mother francis crossed out, then fanny written above?

Cheers Linda :)

No you havent Linda....

Thats what I think it says on the 1911 now you put the name Susanna forward,and it does say they were married 20 yrs.

But maybe he went to write Ethel and then changed it to Sussannah as an afterthought???
Anybody wanna look send mail addy!

Perhaps they both did a runner:

Marriages Sep 1891 (>99%)
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Barnes Edward Edmonton 3a 429
Griffin Charles Edward Edmonton 3a 429
Morris Helen Louisa Edmonton 3a 429
Pallett Su*nna Edmonton 3a 429

Oooh I love muddying the waters!!

Regards Linda :)

But fancy man Mr Head was married to a Miss Harris also

Who was present at his death in 1913 in the house where my G,Gran,gran and Mr Head (father of gran)were living!
She was the informant.

At least they married, some of mine didn't even bother doing that!

Cassy :-)