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Hi,I'm just looking for a Census for Charlotte Gardiner and can't find it 1871

That marriage (from the IGI) that Ellen has posted took place in 1855. From the IGI we know that the bride's parent's were Andrew patterson and Charlotte Scotland.

If it were me I would be looking at that marriage on Scotlandspeople to see what further, if any, information is there regarding Charlotte (Senior)'s marital status.

Browsing on the IGI, there is this marriage and I am wondering if this the daughter Mary??

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CHARLOTTE PATTERSON Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: ANDREW PATTERSON Family
Mother: CHARLOTTE SCOTLAND


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Marriages:
Spouse: PETER GARDINER Family
Marriage: 25 JUN 1855 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Husband Age at Marriage: 24
Wife Age at Marriage: 23



This looks like a possibility for the above couple in 1861.


Name: Mary C Gardiner
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : Peter
Gender: Female
Where born: Larbert, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Anderston
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 3 Russell Place
ED: 58
Household schedule number: 41
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_108
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Gardiner 42 Blacksmith
Mary C Gardiner 33
Peter Gardiner 15 Flesher
William Gardiner 13 Blacksmith (app)
James Gardiner 11 b. Glasgow
Elizabeth Gardiner 8 b.P??k, Renfrewshire
Ann Gardiner 5 b. as above
Janet Gardiner 2 b. Glasgow


Source Citation: Parish: Glasgow Barony; ED: 58; Page: 8; Line: 19; Roll CSSCT1861_108; Year: 1861.



Just trying to establish possible places of death for Charlotte senior by following up the family.




EDIT

Sorry Ellen, I now see you had posted that IGI entry while i was faffing about looking for a match on the census.

I have people marrying in Stevenston,Ayrshire using their Maiden name before 1855

CHARLOTTE PATTERSON Pedigree
Female Family


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: ANDREW PATTERSON Family
Mother: CHARLOTTE SCOTLAND


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Marriages:
Spouse: PETER GARDINER Family
Marriage: 25 JUN 1855 Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland

Husband Age at Marriage: 24
Wife Age at Marriage: 23


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Source Information:
Batch Number: 7326008
Sheet: 82
Source Call No.: 0822889 Type: Film


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John Jess results for 1871 census

1871 JESS JOHN M 14 COYLTON /AYR 583/00 006/00 003 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1871 JESS JOHN M 32 DALRYMPLE /AYR 588/00 003/00 012 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1871 JESS JOHN M 12 KILMARNOCK /AYR 597/00 020/00 010 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1871 JESS JOHN M 45 BRIDGETON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 123/03 001 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
5 1871 JESS JOHN M 12 INCH /WIGTOWN 886/00 006/00 012 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
6 1871 JESS JOHN M 9 WHITHORN /WIGTOWN 900/00 009/00 003 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
7 1871 JESS WM JOHN M 11 BRIDGETON GLASGOW/LANARK 644/03 123/03 001 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

On Ann Patterson' s marriage certificate it should show who her mother 's second marriage was too

HI all

I checked the deaths for Charlotte Scotland first rather than use her married names and the only one that I could come up with was the one I posted yesterdaythe others are

1886 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE FYFE F 71 CLACKMANNAN /CLACKMANNAN 466/00 0037 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1945 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE ANDERSON JOHNSTON F 66 ST ANDREW EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/02 0659 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
3 1919 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE A BEL MCKEAN F 82 HILLHEAD GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/12 0332 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
4 1952 SCOTLAND CHARLOTTE ANNIE F 0 STIRLING /STIRLING 490/00 0383 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER


I have a feeling that the poster is way off track

Never got a Death for a Charlotte Jess in Clackmannan with the name Scotland added in Scotlanspeople

Freewheel

In Scotland a woman doesn't really lose her birth surname. When she remarries she can use her maiden surname but usually all her previous surnames would be recorded on the certificate i.e Jean Brown or Smith if Brown was the maiden surname and Smith her late husband's surname. By the same token on her marriage certificate, if her mather had been widowed and remarried it would say, for example Annie formerly Brown now Gray maiden surname Black etc.

In the same way a female death on the indexes on Scotlandspeople will list ALL her previous surnames and they will all be indexed provided that the informant gave all the correct details. So looking for a female death on Scotlandspeople you can search using any of her surnames and indeed can use more than one for cross reference.

Not finding John Jess on any Census past 1861.Wonder if they both emigrated after Ann married

Hi Jacqueline did you find John Jess in the 1871 Scottish Census?

I had a look and when I put the 1861 census in with name John Jess there is only a match for one and infant at the other side of the country.So I tried searching with the other names and nothing comes up either all very confusing. I cant find a marriage for John and Charlotte and no death for a Charlotte Jess either.

Jackie

No Jacqueline.Don't spend my pension on look ups for other people

Name: Charlotte Jess
Year of Registration: 1862
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Shoreditch
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 121 (click to see others on page)

Can't find her in the 1871 Scottish Census .This came up which seems interesting as Scotlandspeople never came up with a death for a Charlotte Jess in Clackmannanshire

Ellen have you looked on SP at he actual image if not I can do it.
I haven't been able to trace a marriage though for John Jess

Jackie

This is Ann Patterson in 1861 it has been amended to read Ann Jess
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Female
Where born: Clackn, Clackmannan
Registration Number: 466
Registration district: Clackmannan
Civil parish: Clackmannan
Town: Clackmannan
County: Clackmannanshire
Address: High Street (north Side)
Occupation: Domestic Servant
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1861_62
Household Members: Name Age
John Jess 45
Charlotte Jess 45
Ann Paterson 18
Ann McLaren 15


Unfortunately, we are unable to display the accompanying images of this census at present, despite extensive negotiation with the General Register Office for Scotland. Permission from them has not, as yet, been forthcoming. For this reason, and to enable you to continue with your family history research, Ancestry has heavily transcribed the Scottish Census records to ensure you have access to all key areas of information contained within this collection.

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Freewheeler has got it right she married JESS

Her first husband Andrew Patterson should have been on death Certificate.I think you have a wrong second marriage.

Hi Allan,
I know this doesn't help find Charlotte's dob but thought I would just mention the following:

WILLIAM MCCULLOCH who was the informant of Charlotte's death in 1886, noted as her son-in-law, was the husband of Charlotte Scotland & Andrew Paterson's daughter, Margaret b. 1836 Clackmannan(sp)
Just for info, Margaret Paterson & William McCulloch married 15/1/1855 Clackmannan (sp)

Regards
Kath