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Good morning intrepid reporters! I can't believe the work you've all done to find what looks like the scarlet pimpernel. I've just logged in and am trying to take it all in. It looks intriguing. Can't wait to tell my mam. She'll be excited! Thanks loads.
Clare
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Births Sep 1874 (>99%)
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Burnley Edwin Holmes W. Derby 8b 485

It is not Derby, but West Derby, which is a part of Liverpool and a ship-building city.

My money goes on the little lodger in 1881 and being Mary Janes.

But I cant find him in 1891 under any name??

Off to bye byes.
see yaz..

Now I'm waaay behind.
M

Was looking at that one,Viv,but Edmund is with Laura in 1881. Could just be duplication,though.
There are 2 births for a Edmund Henry Brown about the right time frame-a year apart.

Maureen

Yeeek 2 of them?

1881 England Census
about Edmund I. Brown
Name: Edmund I. Brown
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Edmund
Mother's Name: Laura E.
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil parish: Westoe
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 9 Marsden St

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1881 England Census
about Edmund Hy. Brown
Name: Edmund Hy. Brown
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: So Shields, Durham, England

Civil parish: Monkwearmouth Shore
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Gosforth St
Education:

Mother a sister of Mary Janes maybe??

1891 England Census
about Edmund H Brown
Name: Edmund H Brown
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Laura E
Gender: Male
Where born: South Shields, Durham, England

Civil parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Aidans
Town: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England


Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Laura E Brown 43
Edmund H Brown 13
Roland W Brown 12
Hilda E Brown 6
Emily W Brown 3
Sarah Quick 22<<servant and from somerset,very westcountry name that...

1881 England Census
about Edmund Hy. Brown
Name: Edmund Hy. Brown
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: So Shields, Durham, England

Civil parish: Monkwearmouth Shore
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 16 Gosforth St
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monk Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Defty 25
Florence Edith Defty
Edmund Hy. Brown 3
Margaret Defty 20


I like that Brown birth more and more now!

Doldrums???I was searching and thinking,as was Maureen ..

yeah yeah

I was searching here and there for this and that and neglected to refresh as things had seemed to have hit the doldrums when I was first reading ...


We all know there's nothing I love more than a shapeshifting great-grandpa!

I like that one, Viv.

Another one for the pot??
Durham county,to go with 1911 and 1901 census birth place?

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
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BROWN Edmund Henry S.Shields 10a 704


Edit ,yes Janey,he married Hannah as per the 1901 posted by Maureen and I both!

Edmund's first marriage, for info:

Marriages Dec 1897
Brown Walter Frederick Sunderland 10a 1038
> Burnley Edmund Henry Sunderland 10a 1038
Paterson Ann Sunderland 10a 1038
Smith Hannah Sunderland 10a 1038

Do we know to whom?

I looked because in 1911 his wife is aged 20, and there is a 6-yr-old kid.

Second marriage:

Marriages Jun 1909
BURNLEY Edmund Henry Newcastle T. 10b 142
CARR Margaret Necastle T 10b 142


Whoops! Events overtook me as I pondered. Will have to go back and have a read ...

Didnt think to look later for a marriage ,silly me.

But I found this in my travels..

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920
about Edmund H Burnley
Name: Edmund H Burnley
Regiment or Corps: Northumberland Fusiliers, Northumberland Fusiliers
Regimental Number: 6/3143, 265600

Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
BURNLEY Edmund Henry Newcastle T. 10b 142
CARR Margaret Necastle T 10b 142

It looks to me as though he MIGHT have really been born a lot later than you think. This matches with Viv's 1911 and name of first wife....
1901 Ancestry
Name: Edmund H Burnley
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Tyne Dock, Durham, England
Civil parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members:
Name Age
Edmund H Burnley 23
Hannah Burnley 22
Sarah Swan 20
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4796; Folio: 120; Page: 13

Maureen

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1901 England Census
about Edmund H Burnley
Name: Edmund H Burnley
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Tyne Dock, Durham, England

Civil parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Household Members: Name Age
Edmund H Burnley 23
Hannah Burnley 22
Sarah Swan 20 <<<servant

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
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Brown Walter Frederick Sunderland 10a 1038
>>>>>>Burnley Edmund Henry Sunderland 10a 1038
Paterson Ann Sunderland 10a 1038
Smith Hannah Sunderland 10a 1038

And the 1911 says they have been married 1 yr and no marriage for a margaret to him.

I cant find a marriage on freebmd for his name in 1894??

Just for ref-is this John in 1871?
1871 Ancestry
Name: John William Burry
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Batley, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Bishop Wearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Bell 49
John William Burry 25 Occ:Engine Fitter
William Charlsworth 25
Thomas Alston 26

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5001; Folio: 63; Page: 15

Maureen

Is this him on 1911?

BURNLEY, Edmund Henry Head Married M 33 1878 Engineer Wash Houseman Durham Tyne Dock VIEW
BURNLEY, Margaret Wife Married F 20 1891 Northumberland Newcastle on Tyne VIEW
BURNLEY, Doris Daughter F 6 1905 Durham Sunderland VIEW
BURNLEY, Freda Daughter F 4 1907 Durham Sunderland VIEW
BURNLEY, John William Son M 0 (6 MONTHS) 1911 Northumberland Newcastle VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30564 Reference:
RG14PN30564 RG78PN1752 RD558 SD2 ED7 SN252

Registration District:
Newcastle upon Tyne Sub District:
St Andrew EnumerationDistrict:
7 Parish:
St Andrew

Address:
12 Ellison Terrace Newcastle-Upon-Tyne

He may have lied about his age as he would have to have been over 21 to marry without permission?