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Vivienne
That's worth a shot - I might invest in a birth cert. No idea why they would be in Derby as his dad was a marine engineer, but who knows!
Clare

Vivienne
I have this info and you're right, this is his dad.
Thanks!
Clare

This birth is interesting given the first wifes maiden name?

Births Sep 1874 (>99%)
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Burnley Edwin Holmes W. Derby 8b 485

Hi Anne
My family are convinced of his DOB, but I have his marriage cert which confirms he was 23 at his date of marriage ie 27/11/1894. He appears to have been born out of wedlock but I don't know to whom. I found his dad John and Mary Jane Brown on the 1881 census living together in Sunderland - she is down as housekeeper, interestingly. I believe his first wife died in 1879.
The 1891 census has John visiting his sister Elizabeth Holliday (nee Knowles) in Gildersome, Yorks with his daughter Maud Burnley. Maud was on the freeBMD site as born Maud Brown.
Clare

1881 England Census
about John W. Burnley
Name: John W. Burnley
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Batley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Monkwearmouth Shore
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 103 Roker Aven
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Marine Engineer (Seaman)

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monk Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John W. Burnley 35
Mary Jane Brown 27

I cant find Edmund on any census,have you Clare?
Is this Your John?

1901 England Census
about John W Burnley
Name: John W Burnley
Age: 56
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary J
Gender: Male
Where born: Butley, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Hilda
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: North Bishopwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 416
Household Members: Name Age
John W Burnley 56
Mary J Burnley 47
Marion Lunan 27

Hi Claire,

Strange one.......I am unable to locate him either......are you sure of the birth date?

Looks like John married Martha in 1875 and then Mary in 1891, so where does he fit in!

Have you located the family on the 1881 census?

Annx

Hi - I'm at a loss at to why I can't find a birth record for my great granddad, Edmund Henry Burnley. He was born in Sunderland on 11/11/1871 to John William Burnley (born 1846 in Batley, Yorks). I don't know who his mother was. John was married twice to Martha Holmes and Mary Jane Brown but I've checked for all Edmunds under Burnley, Holmes and Brown to no avail. Does anyone have any ideas?