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PM from Olwen
1 Oct 2012
I have information on both Jane A. Cowton and Jane A. Shacklock both married to Samuel Black with the same named children. Born in Middx and Atherstone and they both came to Manchester. I have birth certs of the children some say mother Jane Shacklock and some say Jane Cowton and father Bootmaker.
The Black daughters married one of my Hadfield Anceters thats how I came across the Blacks. But I'm leaving that side for now. Thank you for your help.

Thank you for the message Olwen.
Was it intended for Georgina really though??

It would perhaps have been better to reply on here but I am copying this message here so that people can see that you have replied and said thank you..
Which many dont unfortunately.

Fan

Like what please Olwen?

There is a lot of info on here already....What are you after please.

Also this thread is pretty old...Nov 2009.

If you want to contact the person that posted it you need to click on her name and send a private message and if she still has the same email then GR will notify her that she has a message.
Maybe you can say what you are after and we will see what we can do to help.

Please post what you have so far on the couple as that would be a big help as it will save people giving you info that you already have or is on here.

It seems to me though that it was a Jane A COWTON who married Samuel Black...

How did you arrive at Samuel Black and Jane Shacklock please?
Do you have a childs birth cert with those names on?

Thanks
Fans

I am also looking for information on Jane A Shacklock married to Samuel Black

As this is your main family line i do agree with freewheeler certificates are a must have.

You really DO need to get the child's birth cert................relying on someone else's info - however well-intentioned - can lead to many wasted hours of research.

I've just had to chance to look at these responses. I got Janes maiden name from someone who has been helping me research my tree. The information I had about William Samuel Black is definetly correct (age 37yrs in 1881 census) and he definetly married Jane (age 38 yrs in 1881 census) but the maiden name I'm not sure going on secondary information. The information on the children is correct. Jane was my g-g grandmother and I wanted to find some information out about her. It said on the 1881 census she was born in London.
Georgina

If that is the correct Mary Matilda Black then it is not Jane A Shacklock as she never married untill 1865.Mary Black also states in the census that she was born before 1865?

Sorry for repeating freewheelers info ,but none started with Samuel Black

Births Mar 1842 (>99%)
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Cowton Jane Ann St.Pancras 1 281

Georgina

Please buy this birth cert - to get firm details - unless you already have a child's cert - please let us know if you have!

Births Sep 1863 (>99%)
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BLACK Mary Matilda Chorlton 8c 551

Tree in Ancestry says born Holloway,London No death given

Name: Jane Ann Cowton
Birth: Mar 1842 - Pancras (1837-1901), London, Middlesex

Marriages Sep 1862
Black Samuel Manchester 8d 222
Cowton Jane Ann Manchester 8d 222


I did ask why Georgina was looking for Jane Shacklock ... and she doesn't seem to have told us ...


But why did we rule out

Marriages Dec 1865
Black Samuel Islington 1b 618
SHACKLOCK Jane Islington 1b

? Me being thick? Or Georgina just lighted on the wrong couple at random (and then said "about 1866" ...)?

This may be Samuel in 1861 -

Name: Saml Jane
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Atherstone, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
James Black 35
Susan Black 31
John Black 11
Sarah Jane 2
James Jane 2 Mo
Saml Jane 20 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,Surname is BLACK. Occ: Boot/Shoe Maker's Apprentice
Charles Booth 22
John Hall 33

Going on all Freewheels work then I think we arrive here?
Unless the poster has a childs birth cert to know the mothers maiden name for sure?

Marriages Sep 1862
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>>>>Black Samuel Manchester 8d 222
Bunting Rachel Manchester 8d 222
>>>Cowton Jane Ann Manchester 8d 222

There is a particular dearth of Shacklock-s in the London area.

I wonder whether this person in 1861 might be a sister ...


Name: Elizabeth Shacklock
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Servant
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: St Peter Cornhill
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: London City

Come on freewheel..
Give the finale after all that hard work;)

MARY MATILDA BLACK

Birth: 26 JUL 1863
Christening: 27 SEP 1863 All Saints, Manchester, Lancashire, England

Father: SAML. BLACK
Mother: JANE

Georgina, there's no need for "about". We have FreeBMD.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Marriages Dec 1865
> Black Samuel Islington 1b 618
Norman Sarah Islington 1b 618
> SHACKLOCK Jane Islington 1b
Stubbs John Islington 1b 618

Placing people in time and space is important.

1871

Name: Mary M Block
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1864
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Sarah
Mother's Name: Jane A
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 70
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Block 30
Jane A Block 29
Mary M Block 7
Sarah J Block 5
George Block 2
Sarah Wm Grierets 31
Chas W Brown 19