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Elaine...I thought you had the info.re Brid and John's children...???

These are what I found All Lancaster..Births and Deaths...
The deaths for the Timlins also Lancaster.

Thomas b 1860 died 1861
James b.1863 died 1864
Jane b.1866 died 1871 aged 5yrs.
Ellen b 1868 died 1868
Edward b.1870 died 1870
Anthony b.1872 died 1872.

Mary born 1862 survived (1881Census)and went on to marry John McGuire
John born 1865 survived was also on 1881 census..thre is a Death Registered for a John Salmon aged 32yrs. 1886..could possibly be him.
I have also realised there is no Bridget..(Child).. the next female child born after Jane(1866) would be normally be named after her mother..Bridget.

me again just out of curiosity.. was the deaths Lancaster ? thats you found for timlins
thanks

Morning erin
well thats another link thanks again ..yer makes me wonder, if T
hat was the case with bridget children, as you say following the pattern in names...thats what made me wonder with(patrick wife) if she might have been called jane) by any chance with one of the siblings children being called jane as well...????

Ummm no w then thats a mystery again with the children ..?? too
thanks once again for your help i make a note of the dates of the deaths...
elainex

Elaine...Have just been browsing around and found the following re Timlin...

Thomas Timlin died 1875.
Mary (wife) died 1887
Anthony (Son) died 1887....

Interesting to find out where Ellen/Annie/James were 1991....

The other thing thats puzzling is John and Brids children...I cannot find a Birth or a death for a Patrick Timlin..despite the fact they seem to have followed the Irish traditional naming pattern..there is no Patrick ...which makes me wonder if

Patrick was actually born "Patrick" Salmon or just known as Patrick..I am tempted to think it may have been James...(Brids 3rd child born/died 1863/4)

no probs....not sure about catherine flyn she popped up on another census as well with bridget but she also lodged with patrick on the census as well.... she a widow but i wondered if she was related in a way also who she might have
married..she came from ireland with them by the looks of things...umm plot thickens..... thanks so much for your help as wellx:-)x
elaine

Elaine..Thanks for the info....
...
Interesting Cath.Flyn was on earlier Census with Brid......what were her details...? Its possible she was sister/ sister-in-law to Patrick..obviously (by age 1881) she wasnt Mother-in-law...
Found a marriage of a John Timlin Lancaster 1885 wonder if this was Brids.husband to Mary Ellen Redhead (nee Cain)

Cont:
There children Jane brn 1868 (d) 1871 lancaster
John brn 1866
Mary brn 1862 -1910 Lancaster

Mary my grt x2 grandmother ...... this is where im trying to go back to trace the rest of the grt ..grandaprents so that makes me wonder where they dissapeared too... hope this helps thanks

afternoon erin..thanks again for transcript great help.... ok here the picture for you: Bridget Salmon (m) John Timlon (timlin) 1859 Lancaster found them lancashirebmd..there children Mary brn 1862 -1910 ..
John brn 1866
Jane brn 1868-1871 all lancaster
found them on 1861 census living at henry st Lancaster with catheryn flyn..
also on 1871 censu lancaster with children..... found a death for bridget in lancaster 1878....

Bridget sister mary brn 1860 Westport Ieland (m) John Maguire found a death for her 1891 lancaster...
other sibling (brother John born westport 1857 d ? form census found them on 1881.... with Patrick couldnt find Patrick on any other census..???? mystery....
With Bridget & john Timlon (timlin) they were on 1861 census ... 1871 census but 1881 cant find them??

Elaine...Have you located Patrick Salmon on the 1871 Census ? I dont have access to it..also where did John Timlin.go to after 1871..? I cannot locate him 1881...?
It is difficult to trawl through the Parish Records for Salmon (Patrick) parent of John b.abt 1857...as these are not indexed ..they are from the actual Church Records and you also have to know exactly where the children were born...it doesnt follow it was Westport Town.....
How do you know Brid was born abt 1838..and married John Timlin...????

Afternoon Elaine....

This is the Timlin Family....

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas TIMLIN Head M Male 74 Mayo, Ireland Genl Labr
Mary TIMLIN Wife M Female 64 Mayo, Ireland
Anthony TIMLIN Son U Male 28 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Genl Labr
Mary TIMLIN Daur U Female 24 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Cotton Drawer
Ellen TIMLIN Daur Female 10 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Scholar
Annie TIMLIN Daur Female 5 Lancaster, Lancashire, England Scholar
James TIMLIN Son Male 1 Lancaster, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 11 White Cross Yd
Census Place Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342020
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4267 / 54
Page Number 49
Household:


I would suggest that Ellen
Annie and James are grandchildren as opposed to "Children"..

also forgot to ask if you could send full transcript on timlin household , if you dont mind

thanks again xx

me again just thinking as you do .. when you said you checked westport records for bridget birth..(trying to find parents) what, about his son john the other siblings to patrick , John brn 1857 and also daughter mary, have you found anything on them ,maybe? might tell you who parents are
thanks x

hi me again erin...
yer i see what you mean trying to confuse you with what you have found..big gap between children ....see later on bridget married john) timlin they had a few children who died years after each other so did himself.. leaving bridget a widow.
they seem to be together as neighbours and living in each other houses at the time..too, Patrick her father spread himself by the sounds of itbridget left home after 1851 when the came to england.. patrick left ireland to escape for better life i presume with children..nice to no im
trying to get a picture of them ..thanks to your help..very much appreciated...
elainex

morning ErinGobragh1916
Once again thankyou so much for helping me with Salmon & timlin ..saga ive made a note of the infor you have found fo the last section for marriage of patrick is still a mystery for me, like you said he might have been married in another parish..i see what you mean with the dates i wondered if he married twice maybe.. with first daughter having aquite a few years between next sibling...it just makes me wonder as they were in ireland when ,the potato famin,was then,, they possibly moved to england with his first wife died over there.. in tow with children ...i notice a carthryin flyn is on 1881 census with them she seem to have come with them probably a friend...???umm interesting..

Elaine...I have had look through my Westport records and these are the only Salmon marriages I have been able to locate so far relative to the birth date of Bridget (1838) .All RC.

Jan. 20. 1833 John Salmon to Anne McGloughlan
Feb.26. 1838 Peter Salmon to Mary Reilly
Feb 22 1841 Patrick Salmon to Margaret Salmon.

Given we dont yet know Patricks wife (Marys mothers name) the above are just for ref.
Patrick may well have married in the another parish....

Elaine...Just for ref: 1881 Census...John Ts. parents and looks like his children although down as son and daughter to Thomas ...I dont think so..!!!!

Thomas TIMLIN Household
Male

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Other Information:
Birth Year
Birthplace Mayo, Ireland
Age 74
Occupation Genl Labr
Marital Status M
Head of Household Thomas TIMLIN
Relation Head
Disability

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Source Information:
Dwelling 11 White Cross Yd
Census Place Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1342020
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 4267 / 54
Page Number 49

Notice they are only a few doors from Patrick and family...will send you the full trans.ifyou havent got it...

Elaine....Forgot to add Timlin is a Co.Mayo surname....

Evening Elaine....
Thank you for the info.
I imagine that the age given as 60yrs for Patrick may be a little bit out given Brid was born 1838..(he would only be about 17/18 at the time)...No matter will look at that later....If Brid was the eldest then there are def.other children as John (1881) is only 24yrs so born abt 1857ish....big gap between 1838 and 1857.....
The John Timling (lodger) aged 16yrs is probably the son of Brid.and John Timlin...grandson to Patrick.

hi Eringrobragh1916
thank you very much for finding the information for me , the question about bridget she is patrick eldest daughter she was born 1838 Ireland . i found her on 1861 census & 1871 census she married John Timlon(timlin) 17th July 1859 Lancaster her father name Patrick salmon Labourer... she had 3 children mary jane john .. she died 1878 lancaster. i found her no prob , but struggled with father and the rest of her brothers & sisters ...so bridget the eldest sister to mary and the others hope this helps ..thanks again
elaine

Elaine...Have just found another thread relating to McGuire /Salmon you posted Friday...obviously the info.re Mary (posted here) you already have but where does "daughter" Bridget b.1838 come into the picture...??